Tool of the day
11-25-2015 | 11:01 AM
#7061
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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It's called a salute in our manuals, smarty. Before we start aircraft movement, the CA calls out "salute received, flaps xx, call for taxi." The rampers can wave, do a backflip, whatever... the CA didn't see the all clear action which is referred to as a salute so he called them back out. The standard is to salute, and it's rare to see anyone do anything other than that. That's it.
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
11-25-2015 | 11:15 AM
#7063
New boss = Old boss
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Ca B737
At AA we also need an actual salute...woudn't you think if there's any question that its much easier to have someone just run out and give the hand gesture and allow everyone to continue according to SOP? Don't know what alternative you would have him do...have the guy plug the headset back in and talk? It's just a salute, for brevity purposes and legalese, not "holier than thou."
Guideman — Provide salute, indicating the area is clear.
After Start:
After ground equipment is clear, the captain has announced “I
have a salute”, and engine(s) are stabilized.
Guideman — Provide salute, indicating the area is clear.
After Start:
After ground equipment is clear, the captain has announced “I
have a salute”, and engine(s) are stabilized.
It's called a salute in our manuals, smarty. Before we start aircraft movement, the CA calls out "salute received, flaps xx, call for taxi." The rampers can wave, do a backflip, whatever... the CA didn't see the all clear action which is referred to as a salute so he called them back out. The standard is to salute, and it's rare to see anyone do anything other than that. That's it.
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
11-25-2015 | 11:27 AM
#7064
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,563
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From: Road construction signholder
Yeah, I get it. But as you see from the post above, some people seem to insist on an actual salute and some are even willing to hold up the show and drag the ramp guy out from the shed to perform the salute. You said you would accept a wave or a back flip. I think the vast majority of us would. But those who need the salute are tools. I guess the language should be changed so tools who can't see the forest because of all those damn trees can be comfortable.
Salute means salute, not "random arm twitch substituting as one"... and it really isn't that hard either.
11-25-2015 | 11:40 AM
#7065
New boss = Old boss
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Ca B737
You are wrong on this one. Per our SOP only a salute affirms to the captain that the ramp personnel have verified that all is clear and the pilots are free to set flaps and commence taxi. A "friendly wave" or someone holding up the bypass pin (not required by the way) doesn't count. If we were to taxi based on the assumption that a "friendly wave" was good enough and then there was a ground incident it would be our butts strung out.
Salute means salute, not "random arm twitch substituting as one"... and it really isn't that hard either.
Salute means salute, not "random arm twitch substituting as one"... and it really isn't that hard either.
Ok, OK. I'll acquiesce. BTW we push with the bypass pin in because we always have both A and B hydraulic system pumps ON. I have never thought that was a great plan but that's our procedure. While we are on the subject or procedure, it never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to fly the plane.
Starting next week or month we have a major rewrite of our Flight Handbook. New checklists and procedures. This will be the fourth major rewrite in the last 20 years. Maybe one day we'll get it right.
11-25-2015 | 12:14 PM
#7066
Banned
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From: 7th green
11-25-2015 | 12:25 PM
#7067
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2010
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From: Representing the REAL Delta
11-25-2015 | 03:53 PM
#7068
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
My current an previous received verbal confirmation ground equipment an pin removed along which side to expect to the pin in hand and waive off. Reduces uncertainties and potential TOTDs
11-25-2015 | 04:57 PM
#7069
Gets Weekends Off
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Ugh, I'm so glad I don't work for that kind of airline.
Ok, OK. I'll acquiesce. BTW we push with the bypass pin in because we always have both A and B hydraulic system pumps ON. I have never thought that was a great plan but that's our procedure. While we are on the subject or procedure, it never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to fly the plane.
Starting next week or month we have a major rewrite of our Flight Handbook. New checklists and procedures. This will be the fourth major rewrite in the last 20 years. Maybe one day we'll get it right.
Ok, OK. I'll acquiesce. BTW we push with the bypass pin in because we always have both A and B hydraulic system pumps ON. I have never thought that was a great plan but that's our procedure. While we are on the subject or procedure, it never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to fly the plane.
Starting next week or month we have a major rewrite of our Flight Handbook. New checklists and procedures. This will be the fourth major rewrite in the last 20 years. Maybe one day we'll get it right.
11-26-2015 | 03:56 AM
#7070
Banned
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From: 7th green
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