Tool of the day
11-26-2015, 07:50 AM
#7051
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
TOTD - JFK approach last night. RJ checks in. Controller - "Kennedy altimeter 30.82, turn left heading ABC, descend and maintain XYZ."
RJ TOTD - "30.82?!?!? ATIS said it was 30.83!!"
Silence.
Third voice - "rrreeeeeeaaaaaallly???"
FO and I bust out laughing - "damn lying ATIS!!"
RJ TOTD - "30.82?!?!? ATIS said it was 30.83!!"
Silence.
Third voice - "rrreeeeeeaaaaaallly???"
FO and I bust out laughing - "damn lying ATIS!!"
11-26-2015, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I am guessing that they would not be...I would not be.
For starters if a salute is "haphazard" or even left-handed (I see that occasionally) that is good enough for me as it is for all of us I am guessing.
For starters if a salute is "haphazard" or even left-handed (I see that occasionally) that is good enough for me as it is for all of us I am guessing.
Some guys just can't let it go.............
11-26-2015, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Sooooo let me get this straight.... asking for asking for correct altimeter setting is toolish? I guess a crew flying a big jet asking for a correct altimeter setting is OK
11-26-2015, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Sooooo let me get this straight.... asking for asking for correct altimeter setting is toolish? I guess a crew flying a big jet asking for a correct altimeter setting is OK
Was that you??
The (young sounding) guy was irritated that the controller gave him an altimeter setting different than the ATIS. Hello, .01 changes happen...
The ATIS was about an hour old and about to be updated. Damn lying ATIS!
11-26-2015, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Was that you??
The (young sounding) guy was irritated that the controller gave him an altimeter setting different than the ATIS. Hello, .01 changes happen...
The ATIS was about an hour old and about to be updated. Damn lying ATIS!
The (young sounding) guy was irritated that the controller gave him an altimeter setting different than the ATIS. Hello, .01 changes happen...
The ATIS was about an hour old and about to be updated. Damn lying ATIS!
Our company procedure is concise concerning all information obtained being accurate. Now the basic question... What did the crew in question, in your opinion, do that was unsafe for his operation?
11-26-2015, 12:49 PM
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"Act like you've been here before."
Standard advice to rookies.
The guy checked in with approach. Approach control gave him the current altimeter. It was .01 different from the ATIS that was about 55 minutes old. Hardly earth shaking ("act like you've been here before"). The guy responds in an irritated voice. Deathly silence on the radio during a busy period. Finally broken by "rrrreeaaallly????" It was pretty damn funny. Even people with a poor sense of humor should have been amused.
It was a .01 change. It wasn't the first time in aviation history that the altimeter had changed by .01. Hardly worth being irritated that the ATIS hadn't been updated.
Every company I've worked for, to include the U.S. military, had zero interest in accurate information. We just wing it.
Standard advice to rookies.
The guy checked in with approach. Approach control gave him the current altimeter. It was .01 different from the ATIS that was about 55 minutes old. Hardly earth shaking ("act like you've been here before"). The guy responds in an irritated voice. Deathly silence on the radio during a busy period. Finally broken by "rrrreeaaallly????" It was pretty damn funny. Even people with a poor sense of humor should have been amused.
It was a .01 change. It wasn't the first time in aviation history that the altimeter had changed by .01. Hardly worth being irritated that the ATIS hadn't been updated.
Every company I've worked for, to include the U.S. military, had zero interest in accurate information. We just wing it.
11-26-2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
"Act like you've been here before."
Standard advice to rookies.
The guy checked in with approach. Approach control gave him the current altimeter. It was .01 different from the ATIS that was about 55 minutes old. Hardly earth shaking ("act like you've been here before"). The guy responds in an irritated voice. Deathly silence on the radio during a busy period. Finally broken by "rrrreeaaallly????" It was pretty damn funny. Even people with a poor sense of humor should have been amused.
It was a .01 change. It wasn't the first time in aviation history that the altimeter had changed by .01. Hardly worth being irritated that the ATIS hadn't been updated.
Every company I've worked for, to include the U.S. military, had zero interest in accurate information. We just wing it.
Standard advice to rookies.
The guy checked in with approach. Approach control gave him the current altimeter. It was .01 different from the ATIS that was about 55 minutes old. Hardly earth shaking ("act like you've been here before"). The guy responds in an irritated voice. Deathly silence on the radio during a busy period. Finally broken by "rrrreeaaallly????" It was pretty damn funny. Even people with a poor sense of humor should have been amused.
It was a .01 change. It wasn't the first time in aviation history that the altimeter had changed by .01. Hardly worth being irritated that the ATIS hadn't been updated.
Every company I've worked for, to include the U.S. military, had zero interest in accurate information. We just wing it.
Can't comment on what goes on in the military... Getting accurate information is probably more professional than winging it... don't you think?
As a line trainer... "winging it" doesn't fly with me. But hey that's me Now Sliceback, if winging it works for you and your first officer, then go with it. I trust you wouldn't jump their $h*t for wanting clarification on some issues he/she felt important.
11-26-2015, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Agreed... not worth getting one's knickers in a twist... but can you really say the crew was unsafe in their actions in requesting the correct altimeter setting?
Can't comment on what goes on in the military... Getting accurate information is probably more professional than winging it... don't you think?
As a line trainer... "winging it" doesn't fly with me. But hey that's me Now Sliceback, if winging it works for you and your first officer, then go with it. I trust you wouldn't jump their $h*t for wanting clarification on some issues he/she felt important.
Can't comment on what goes on in the military... Getting accurate information is probably more professional than winging it... don't you think?
As a line trainer... "winging it" doesn't fly with me. But hey that's me Now Sliceback, if winging it works for you and your first officer, then go with it. I trust you wouldn't jump their $h*t for wanting clarification on some issues he/she felt important.
Maybe I read it wrong
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