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ShyGuy 01-22-2015 05:51 AM

This scene depicts it well enough......

rat race helicopter scene YouTube - YouTube

ExAF 01-22-2015 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Spoonman (Post 1807816)
Interesting reply. You're completely wrong, but interesting. Easy, no-tool/ good leadership decision would be to cut loose on the third day, yellow slip for one more day and let your FO get a good deal. As for easing me into the "civilian world", after retiring from the NAV and spending 8 years with the company, I think a) leadership matters and if it doesn't to you than maybe you're part of the problem. Whether you dump lavs, dig ditches, or command a crew it matters. And b) according to my FOM, yes there are "troops" to take care of. But thanks for your $.02

Great post Spoonman. I wish I had put it that way.

John Carr 01-22-2015 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1809066)
I'm aware it's an old joke, it runs in the mil as well, I've used it hundreds of times. Which is why I added the anecdote.

And yet you took it all serious and couldn't just go with it, sigh.........

I'll bet you starch your flight suit.

Purple Drank 01-22-2015 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1809605)

I'll bet you starch your flight suit.

Yep. And his tidy whities (at least the ones that aren't glued to cardboard in his dresser drawer).

Mike. Accelerate your post-military assimilation (or just stop posting until you do). Please. You are becoming a worst-case scenario and giving your mil bubbas a bad name.

saxman66 01-23-2015 04:10 AM

I was flying was a centerline nazi the day. I'm getting lined up for a visual in a pretty stiff crosswind. "You're off centerline" (still 3 miles out). Next landing same thing. If I was it was less than a quarter dot. 3rd landing at night. Nose wheel touches down on the turtles, because that's what I can see..."Umm you need to get centerline." Gee thanks.


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badflaps 01-23-2015 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 1809783)
I was flying was a centerline nazi the day. I'm getting lined up for a visual in a pretty stiff crosswind. "You're off centerline" (still 3 miles out). Next landing same thing. If I was it was less than a quarter dot. 3rd landing at night. Nose wheel touches down on the turtles, because that's what I can see..."Umm you need to get centerline." Gee thanks.


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Sounds like there might be a little mud in his past.....

Captain Bligh 01-24-2015 07:36 AM

Probably been done before but it still drives me nuts. Mid-field right down wind vector...

Me, "You got the airport?".

Him, "Yup."

Me, click, "If it helps, we got the field."

Approach, "Cleared to land."

5000'. 250 knots for the next 14 miles! Just like the chart...with me squirming like a toad. ZERO attempt to configure, slow, trim 15 or so miles off the pattern, by turning say...a 5 mille final? If I wanted it done differently I guess I should have said so. Does that make me the tool?

MoonShot 01-24-2015 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1810610)
Probably been done before but it still drives me nuts. Mid-field right down wind vector...

Me, "You got the airport?".

Him, "Yup."

Me, click, "If it helps, we got the field."

Approach, "Cleared to land."

5000'. 250 knots for the next 14 miles! Just like the chart...with me squirming like a toad. ZERO attempt to configure, slow, trim 15 or so miles off the pattern, by turning say...a 5 mille final? If I wanted it done differently I guess I should have said so. Does that make me the tool?

I don't think so. Sounds like poor airmanship on his part.

It seems like there are quite a few people that want to fly as fast as possible until the last possible moment and then leave the other guy wondering if its all gonna work out.

With all of the emphasis on stabilized approaches, it seems like we'd slow down just a bit instead of pushing it right to the limit. Whats the time difference, 15-20 seconds?

ShyGuy 01-24-2015 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1810610)
Probably been done before but it still drives me nuts. Mid-field right down wind vector...

Me, "You got the airport?".

Him, "Yup."

Me, click, "If it helps, we got the field."

Approach, "Cleared to land."

5000'. 250 knots for the next 14 miles! Just like the chart...with me squirming like a toad. ZERO attempt to configure, slow, trim 15 or so miles off the pattern, by turning say...a 5 mille final? If I wanted it done differently I guess I should have said so. Does that make me the tool?

At least you asked. Big pet peeve when the PM calls the airport in sight without checking with the PF first. It's not just the visual, you are now responsible for traffic as well. Same goes with calling other traffic on a parallel landing runway. I always check with the PF first before I tell the tower something. Recently I had a guy call traffic without asking and as it turned out it was the wrong traffic. What's the hurry? Let ATC separate and slow you down.

saxman66 01-24-2015 01:36 PM

^^ This is the philosophy we had at my previous 121 carrier. On IOE at my current carrier, the CA (PF) said he had the field, but I didn't see it yet. It was a new field to me and it was dark. So I didn't call it until later. He griped at me for not calling it in sight and said who cares if PM doesn't see it. So was I a tool or not? Then later he said I was on the verge of having a bad attitude...umm what?


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