Tool of the day
09-13-2015, 03:31 PM
#6851
Otto
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I didn't read it that he was implying anything, nor being a "mil/DAL hater".
The amount of pilots that have issues complying with a uniform standard/professional appearance standard knows no bounds nor demographics.
The amount of pilots that have issues complying with a uniform standard/professional appearance standard knows no bounds nor demographics.
09-13-2015, 05:44 PM
#6853
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Position: Fairly local
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Originally Posted by John Carr
To add to the above situation. The pilots that work at a certain airline, but don't list themselves to non-rev on said airline. Just check in for the Jumpseat and head down right away. And with all the no shows and magical seats free up, said pilot could have held a seat in back. Meanwhile, the offline commuting pilot/pilots could have go the JS while the other guy had the seat in back he could have held yet didn't list for.
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How about "no"?
In any case, no matter how it shakes out, if the ride is on my company's metal and you're with a different company and there is only one seat, you're not gonna get it. Same for me on your company's metal.
If there are seats available, I'll flow back there anyway. You can too. Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat.
09-13-2015, 05:47 PM
#6854
Retired
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
TOTD:
The CA who proceeded to include a full route description in his preflight pax briefing...on a flight LAS-LAX. Think about it for a moment. "We'll be departing to the west, turning left and heading to Primm, Nevada, and then on into the Barstow and San Bernardino areas, over Ontario and into LAX." Delivered, I might add, while standing in the cabin.
Oh, and it was 0630 on a Monday morning. I'm sure all the pax appreciated the droning announcement at that hour...not to mention the level of detail usually reserved for a 15-hr ULR trip.
Sigh.
The CA who proceeded to include a full route description in his preflight pax briefing...on a flight LAS-LAX. Think about it for a moment. "We'll be departing to the west, turning left and heading to Primm, Nevada, and then on into the Barstow and San Bernardino areas, over Ontario and into LAX." Delivered, I might add, while standing in the cabin.
Oh, and it was 0630 on a Monday morning. I'm sure all the pax appreciated the droning announcement at that hour...not to mention the level of detail usually reserved for a 15-hr ULR trip.
Sigh.
Fred
09-13-2015, 06:02 PM
#6855
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
Not sure what airline you're talking about...but are you saying if I'm commuting on my own company's metal, I should NOT reserve the jumpseat and just try my luck at non-reving?
How about "no"?
In any case, no matter how it shakes out, if the ride is on my company's metal and you're with a different company and there is only one seat, you're not gonna get it. Same for me on your company's metal.
If there are seats available, I'll flow back there anyway. You can too. Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat.
How about "no"?
In any case, no matter how it shakes out, if the ride is on my company's metal and you're with a different company and there is only one seat, you're not gonna get it. Same for me on your company's metal.
If there are seats available, I'll flow back there anyway. You can too. Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat.
Yeah this
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09-13-2015, 06:34 PM
#6856
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[QUOTE=Hrkdrivr;1970619
Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat. [/QUOTE]
In all of my years commuting to ATL, this occurred numerous times to me and it was the only way I got a ride on many a flight. Always thankful and appreciative of the DAL pilots. Roll Tide!
Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat. [/QUOTE]
In all of my years commuting to ATL, this occurred numerous times to me and it was the only way I got a ride on many a flight. Always thankful and appreciative of the DAL pilots. Roll Tide!
09-13-2015, 06:39 PM
#6857
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Originally Posted by Hoser
In all of my years commuting to ATL, this occurred numerous times to me and it was the only way I got a ride on many a flight. Always thankful and appreciative of the DAL pilots. Roll Tide!
09-13-2015, 08:17 PM
#6858
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
Not sure what airline you're talking about...but are you saying if I'm commuting on my own company's metal, I should NOT reserve the jumpseat and just try my luck at non-reving?
And you are obviously NOT understanding what I'm saying. Because they screw their OWN guys in the process.
Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
any case, no matter how it shakes out, if the ride is on my company's metal and you're with a different company and there is only one seat, you're not gonna get it. Same for me on your company's metal.
Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
there are seats available, I'll flow back there anyway. You can too. Or, if the plane is full, I can/will ride the FA jumpseat so you can have the cockpit jumpseat.
Let me break it down for you this way........
Scenario 1)
Standing in the boarding area. A pilot (non-tool) comes up and says "hey man, I'm listed on the jumpseat, but I ALSO listed for a seat in the back. Hopefully I clear on my SA pass and we BOTH get home today". Again, this is the NON-TOOL variety/experienced commuter.
Scenario 2)
The tool variety; Standing in the boarding area, pilot walks up. "Are you trying to JS? I already listed for it. I didn't bother listing for a seat in the back". Dude walks off.....
He WON'T "flow" to the back, he never listed.
NON-TOOL pilot walks up "hey man, I'm on the JS also. I'm also listed for a seat in the back. That other guy (TOOL) can probably hold a seat in the back, I'm too junior too. If he listed for a seat in the back, I'd get on the JS. But he's not the type to list for both and considerate of other commuters".
Does that make sense and clear it up?
Last edited by John Carr; 09-13-2015 at 08:43 PM.
09-13-2015, 08:35 PM
#6860
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
No and no. But I'm new to this world so maybe that's the problem
You ever done a hub to hub commute, where the non-rev list is routinely 30-40 people deep? Especially on afternoon flights. Doesn't matter, winter, summer, all the time.
Let me explain it this way, I've been commuting 16 years now, between three different employers. I've commuted on all legacy carriers, and most LCC's. And to the 8 different domiciles I've commuted to, MOST guys are at least cognizant of other commuters.
On my own "metal", I ALWAYS list for a seat in the back on a pass, as well as the JS. That way, if a seat in the back opens up, I'm going to the back on a pass and the JS pass gets canned. And the more junior guy, OR an offline guy gets the jumpseat, and we BOTH get home/to work.
The tool I'm talking about simply doesn't bother listing for a seat in the back on an SA/non-rev pass. Even though he COULD have held one in the back had he done so when all the seats start getting cleared due no shows, misconnects, and the magical overbooking that simply never materializes. And and junior guy that couldn't hold a seat in the back with a lower pass travel date would have got the JS, or the offline guy.
Last edited by John Carr; 09-13-2015 at 08:58 PM.
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