Tool of the day
05-24-2015 | 03:47 PM
#6351
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Yes, PLEASE show my post to the SpecOps guys you know--and pass along the thanks for their service that my pax wanted them to have!
After they embarressedly say "You're welcome" or "It is my privilege to serve" (my two normal responses), then please let them know you are too embarrassed to even mention to your pax that you served ...
I never said I needed public thanks ... You must have failed English comprehension at VMI.
After they embarressedly say "You're welcome" or "It is my privilege to serve" (my two normal responses), then please let them know you are too embarrassed to even mention to your pax that you served ...
I never said I needed public thanks ... You must have failed English comprehension at VMI.
Some folks might think it's neat, but some will be annoyed or worse. You need to tailor your customer service to the lowest common denominator. Some of the paying passengers are probably opposed to all things military and don't feel they need to be given an opportunity to thank anyone. You're in the service industry now, not the place to be forward leaning with your personal views.
If you want to entertain military and aviation buffs, invite them to the bar afterwards.
And on behalf of the specops community... save the public accolades for the 20 y/o conventional forces groundpounder who has the real crap job and limited resources and support, or the wounded warrior. Hollywood will more than take care of the top guns and sof operators.
05-24-2015 | 03:50 PM
#6352
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You don't hear a civilian saying his FO has flown 8 leg days in dog*&&# weather with no AP, no bathroom, at a regional partner airline going into JFK, ATL, and ORD, which is a lot more relevant to Part 121 major airline flying than someone who flew single-pilot F16 sorties in the military.
The difference is the public still respects military pilots. Not airline pilots.
The difference is the public still respects military pilots. Not airline pilots.
05-24-2015 | 04:18 PM
#6353
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From: Poodle Whisperer
It cracks me up when I'm standing up at the entrance to the cockpit after a flight and a pax comes happily ambling down the isle "SO YOU MUST HAVE BEEN (insert navy or air force typically)!"
"No sir, I'm an all civilian background, thanks for flying with us today."
"oh..." (dejected look from passenger)
"No sir, I'm an all civilian background, thanks for flying with us today."
"oh..." (dejected look from passenger)
05-24-2015 | 04:37 PM
#6354
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From: B777 Left
It cracks me up when I'm standing up at the entrance to the cockpit after a flight and a pax comes happily ambling down the isle "SO YOU MUST HAVE BEEN (insert navy or air force typically)!"
"No sir, I'm an all civilian background, thanks for flying with us today."
"oh..." (dejected look from passenger)
"No sir, I'm an all civilian background, thanks for flying with us today."
"oh..." (dejected look from passenger)
05-24-2015 | 04:53 PM
#6355
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From: retired 767(dl)
05-25-2015 | 09:31 AM
#6356
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From: Right Seat 737, Front seat T-6
You're wrong on this one...there's no need to discuss military history, flying history, or really much of anything else about the pilots' backgrounds.
Some folks might think it's neat, but some will be annoyed or worse. You need to tailor your customer service to the lowest common denominator. Some of the paying passengers are probably opposed to all things military and don't feel they need to be given an opportunity to thank anyone. You're in the service industry now, not the place to be forward leaning with your personal views.
If you want to entertain military and aviation buffs, invite them to the bar afterwards.
And on behalf of the specops community... save the public accolades for the 20 y/o conventional forces groundpounder who has the real crap job and limited resources and support, or the wounded warrior. Hollywood will more than take care of the top guns and sof operators.
Some folks might think it's neat, but some will be annoyed or worse. You need to tailor your customer service to the lowest common denominator. Some of the paying passengers are probably opposed to all things military and don't feel they need to be given an opportunity to thank anyone. You're in the service industry now, not the place to be forward leaning with your personal views.
If you want to entertain military and aviation buffs, invite them to the bar afterwards.
And on behalf of the specops community... save the public accolades for the 20 y/o conventional forces groundpounder who has the real crap job and limited resources and support, or the wounded warrior. Hollywood will more than take care of the top guns and sof operators.
And merely stating in a PA that someone is a retired Navy or USAF fighter pilot, or Army pilot (or EVEN Coast Guard) is not overboard, arrogant, or toolish.
I flew with another great guy who did not mention his USAF fighter pilot background but merely wears a USAFA lanyard (for Justdoingmyjob, that is a military academy
). He said he received more comments about that lanyard (all positive) than he could have imagined, from people saying thanks for serving or others who have children at USAFA.Yup, I am in a service industry now, but I was before, too! It must be sad to fly with a company, pilots, and pax who don't want to show a humble pride in their past service to the country. At least at my company, they are VERY patriotic, and so are our pax!
Instead of continuing to bicker about this, let's just remember those who have given their lives in service to the country today. Not doing that is toolish beyond measure!
05-25-2015 | 09:55 AM
#6357
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You're wrong on this one...there's no need to discuss military history, flying history, or really much of anything else about the pilots' backgrounds.
Some folks might think it's neat, but some will be annoyed or worse. You need to tailor your customer service to the lowest common denominator. Some of the paying passengers are probably opposed to all things military and don't feel they need to be given an opportunity to thank anyone. You're in the service industry now, not the place to be forward leaning with your personal views.
If you want to entertain military and aviation buffs, invite them to the bar afterwards.
And on behalf of the specops community... save the public accolades for the 20 y/o conventional forces groundpounder who has the real crap job and limited resources and support, or the wounded warrior. Hollywood will more than take care of the top guns and sof operators.
Some folks might think it's neat, but some will be annoyed or worse. You need to tailor your customer service to the lowest common denominator. Some of the paying passengers are probably opposed to all things military and don't feel they need to be given an opportunity to thank anyone. You're in the service industry now, not the place to be forward leaning with your personal views.
If you want to entertain military and aviation buffs, invite them to the bar afterwards.
And on behalf of the specops community... save the public accolades for the 20 y/o conventional forces groundpounder who has the real crap job and limited resources and support, or the wounded warrior. Hollywood will more than take care of the top guns and sof operators.
05-25-2015 | 02:20 PM
#6358
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From: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
According to the SR-22 Pilot's Operating Handbook:
"The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft 'departs controlled flight,' the CAPS must be deployed.
...
Do not waste time and altitude trying to recover from a spiral/ spin before activating CAPS."
Not exactly a pilot's plane. It is viewed as a form of luxury transport for the well-heeled, as was the Bonanza in the 1960's. Fatal accident rate significantly higher than average. I'm not saying it can't be safely flown in the right fashion, but it should be flown in such a fashion - minimizing maneuvering and risk, and I wouldn't want to fly one slowly.
05-25-2015 | 02:25 PM
#6359
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From: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
My original CFI was ex-mil and (thankfully) he was nothing like the "I wanna trophy I'm special listen to my stories" views expressed above. The smartest officers I've met were humble reasonable people and didn't wear their service on their sleeve.
05-25-2015 | 02:26 PM
#6360
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Yes. Somehow they convinced FAA that deployment of chute is a "spin recovery process."
According to the SR-22 Pilot's Operating Handbook:
"The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft 'departs controlled flight,' the CAPS must be deployed.
...
Do not waste time and altitude trying to recover from a spiral/ spin before activating CAPS."
Not exactly a pilot's plane. It is viewed as a form of luxury transport for the well-heeled, as was the Bonanza in the 1960's. Fatal accident rate significantly higher than average. I'm not saying it can't be safely flown in the right fashion, but it should be flown in such a fashion - minimizing maneuvering and risk, and I wouldn't want to fly one slowly.
According to the SR-22 Pilot's Operating Handbook:
"The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft 'departs controlled flight,' the CAPS must be deployed.
...
Do not waste time and altitude trying to recover from a spiral/ spin before activating CAPS."
Not exactly a pilot's plane. It is viewed as a form of luxury transport for the well-heeled, as was the Bonanza in the 1960's. Fatal accident rate significantly higher than average. I'm not saying it can't be safely flown in the right fashion, but it should be flown in such a fashion - minimizing maneuvering and risk, and I wouldn't want to fly one slowly.
If you keep making the same statement over and over it does not make it any more true.
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