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Old 01-15-2016 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
But you don't understand. The groupthink squad needs a target. If he's on ignore the target disappears.
-I- don't have him on ignore.

In fact, I've been patiently waiting for the good doctor's eloquent and reasoned response to questions raised about a topic that HE invited discussion on in the first place. So far? Crickets.

Although, to be fair, he has hurled some personal insults at me in lieu of an actual answer.

<cough, cough>pusillanimous ****ant<cough, cough>

By the way, Packrat, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "groupthink" actually means. You can't just use that as an insult to someone who holds a different opinion than you. There's more to it.

Well, I guess you can just use it as an insult whenever you want; but you'd just be wrong.

Bubba
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Old 01-15-2016 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Absolutely correct. It is particularly strong, but expression limited to a vocal subgroup of the usual suspects. The vast majority of pilots or people, when sufficiently educated on an issue, can be extremely rational.
Good point. When are you going to educate yourself on the subjects at hand?...you know, with actual facts and evidence, rather than just your personal bugaboos?

I'm pretty sure that terrorist groups appreciate KCM and the FFDO program which are great avenues for attack.
Please explain why you believe this statement. Please.

As people who are actually familiar with TSA and aviation security (as opposed to you, that is), I'm sure that just about anyone on this board could explain to you why your above statement is laughable absurd. Think about it. And just let me know if you want me to explain it to you, okay?

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Old 01-15-2016 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.
Loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking. The dysfunctional group dynamics of the "ingroup" produces an "illusion of invulnerability" (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the "ingroup" significantly overrates its own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of its opponents (the "outgroup"). Furthermore, groupthink can produce dehumanizing actions against the "outgroup".
Yo, Doc--

You DO realize that your description of "groupthink" above is the perfect indictment of political correctness, right? I mean, you can't help but see that, right? Right?! And again, just let me know if you need this explained to you. I'll try to use smaller words, if that'll help.

Not to mention, the last few sentences describe you perfectly, Doc. Your "inflated certainty" about their "rightness" of your opinion in this regard, despite having zero empirical or statistical evidence (or even any kind of experience) to back up that opinion, is exactly what you've described in your quote. In fact, the actual available facts and evidence that are out there, all work to contradict your oft-repeated opinion, but clearly you can't be bothered by that. It's not what you and your group want to hear. That's why you shy away from, you know, ... actual facts.

But hey, keep repeating your mantra. Don't worry about those pesky contradictions. It's what your likeminded group wants you to think. You're doing them proud!

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Old 01-15-2016 | 09:51 PM
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Bubba,

Give up in the interest of preserving the Tool thread and the fact you will never get a response conceding a point from a MD regards to aviation.
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Old 01-16-2016 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Let's get back to TOTD. I was going to nominate a lavender tool but his quote was apparently deleted.
I must say haven't followed FFDO discussion much so...

I am sorry, I can't put it differently, but... who are you?
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Old 01-16-2016 | 02:37 AM
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Well, once again, it’s time to pay recognition to those special tools on the roadways out there that have the “too” virus when it comes to using their turn signals.

These charming folks are; too arrogant, too busy, too lazy, too important and too ignorant to use some common courtesy and basic safety to touch that turn signal lever. They worry about everything else in the universe it seems except for common courtesy and some basic safety. Because; they are the only person in the world on the roadways and they certainly cannot have any effect on anyone else around them, right?

You go you wonderful tools! I’ll listen for your 5 seconds of fame during the next traffic update.
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Old 01-16-2016 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Eurotrashland? you don't get out much do you...
Yeah, I guess flying to Eurotrashland on a weekly basis for the last 8 years counts as "Doesn't get out much."
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Old 01-16-2016 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SWA Bubba
By the way, Packrat, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "groupthink" actually means. You can't just use that as an insult to someone who holds a different opinion than you. There's more to it.
Actually, I'm sure I do know what it means. As defined by Psychology Today:

Groupthink
What Is Groupthink?

Groupthink occurs when a group values harmony and coherance over accurate analysis and critical evaluation. It causes individual members of the group to unquestioningly follow the word of the leader and it strongly discourages any disagreement with the concensus.


Groupthink is rampant on APC. Differing views are generally met with disdain and often with moderator action. Sorry if you can't accept that.

Groupthink is also pervasive among the FFDO community. Even though they can't show even one case where an FFDO has prevented an action, they insist on self-glorification of "another layer of safety" so they can continue to tote around their pistols, badges and Barney Fife egos.
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Old 01-16-2016 | 06:50 AM
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Holy crap, the tools have invaded this thread close it now, we can all run and hide for another year from them.
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Old 01-16-2016 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Could anybody please describe the deleted one?
Yes. I did. You can the description here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2044607-post7485.html
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