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#8811
We had one on the 727 who wore a railroad engineer's hat, called "All Aboard" on the PA, and then blew a wooden train whistle. (The pax usually laughed & applauded.)
#8812
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,965
Originally Posted by dawgdriver View Post
Yes, photos of men standing in long lines at the Women in Aviation job fairs. Yes, Begging. While you're looking, note the lack of women in the photo; no need to spend money getting there because women will get hired because of quotas. They are allowed to bypass much of the pain getting to majors/legacies. Straight to the front of the line. Why spend money on training with the myriad of scholarships only available to women? How often have we seen women get hired with FAR less qualifications than their male counterparts. Hey, great gig if you can get it; I would take advantage of it if I were a woman too. But please, enough already with the gender warfare coming from the privileged class.
^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."
And isn't it common knowledge that it's not what you know, it's who you know? Of course some people (white male and minority both) are being hired over more qualified counterparts; they are friends with a chief or are better at networking themselves or are better at filling out that damn Airline App. I'm so sick of being told that I've had it so easy because I'm a chick. No, actually, I worked my a$$ off for over a decade, just like everyone else, just to get to the regional level. And just like everyone else, I'm stuck playing the stupid Job Fair game waiting and hoping for an interview call. My *** have had zero effect on my aviation career thus far, except maybe to give me back problems.
Phew. Rant over.
Yes, photos of men standing in long lines at the Women in Aviation job fairs. Yes, Begging. While you're looking, note the lack of women in the photo; no need to spend money getting there because women will get hired because of quotas. They are allowed to bypass much of the pain getting to majors/legacies. Straight to the front of the line. Why spend money on training with the myriad of scholarships only available to women? How often have we seen women get hired with FAR less qualifications than their male counterparts. Hey, great gig if you can get it; I would take advantage of it if I were a woman too. But please, enough already with the gender warfare coming from the privileged class.
^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."
And isn't it common knowledge that it's not what you know, it's who you know? Of course some people (white male and minority both) are being hired over more qualified counterparts; they are friends with a chief or are better at networking themselves or are better at filling out that damn Airline App. I'm so sick of being told that I've had it so easy because I'm a chick. No, actually, I worked my a$$ off for over a decade, just like everyone else, just to get to the regional level. And just like everyone else, I'm stuck playing the stupid Job Fair game waiting and hoping for an interview call. My *** have had zero effect on my aviation career thus far, except maybe to give me back problems.
Phew. Rant over.
Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!
Delta and united both require hats AA is the only non hat required major they are also 9th in pay, work rules and compensation.
Also who cares what Delta requires of women? Why do you care especially because I assume you're a man? If you are you sound like the kind of guy that sits to pee.
Also who cares what Delta requires of women? Why do you care especially because I assume you're a man? If you are you sound like the kind of guy that sits to pee.
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#8813
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
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That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."
#8814
#8817
Yeah - look at their decorations in terminals for the holidays. Their employees put some serious effort into those displays. Not my cup of tea but hey somebody seems to like it.
I was pretty shocked on some corners of aviation and how open the bad treatment women/minorities. One of my DPEs sat for the first part of the test telling aviation-themed women and ***er jokes in the FBO lobby to a bunch of the instructors while they laughed nervously, probably continues as because minorities and women are really rare, only seen a few. As long as there are more applicants than positions the discrimination and "reverse discrimination" claims will be a continuing issue. Everybody loves a scapegoat for that one position you were "supposed" to get.
Medicine is far from perfect too, but almost all medical school student classes are 50% female in the past few decades and at least overt mistreatment is not as common.
Preach it! It only takes a quick look around at the pilot ranks to see that the argument of women and minorities "takin' er jerbs!" doesn't hold any water. I can think of plenty of "average white male" types (myself included!) in the aviation world who have advanced well ahead of better qualified and more deserving minority populations.
Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!
This guy in another thread also caught my eye. As a white, secular male I guess I shouldn't care how Alabama treats blacks, or how Germany treats Jews or how human traffickers treat refugees? I'm not part of any of those groups so it's not my concern, right? I should just butt out? Great! That's a weight off my mind
Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!
This guy in another thread also caught my eye. As a white, secular male I guess I shouldn't care how Alabama treats blacks, or how Germany treats Jews or how human traffickers treat refugees? I'm not part of any of those groups so it's not my concern, right? I should just butt out? Great! That's a weight off my mind
Medicine is far from perfect too, but almost all medical school student classes are 50% female in the past few decades and at least overt mistreatment is not as common.
#8818
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 798
^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."
Phew. Rant over.
If 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, but 1% of the APPLICANTS are of that race or gender, hiring 100% of them would still leave you short of the suggested targets. Therein lies the problem.
I don't care one way or the other, but your argument is disingenuous.
Pipe
#8819
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
Found out that some of my information was wrong. My husband works for a company that handles affirmative action regulatory compliance.
So here's how this works. Numbers are pulled in two different ways, by county and by census area. Regardless of how the numbers are pulled in, all they look at are percentages and ratios. This does not mean that if you have an available workforce that is 30% black that you have to have a similar percentage of your workforce be 30% black. That's where the ratios come into play. All we look at is if the company is in danger of discriminatory hiring practices.
The purpose of AA is not to tell you to only choose female minorities (that in itself discriminates against white men). Its purpose is to weed out companies that are doing this. AA says to hire the most qualified applicant FIRST, and then make considerations for their race, gender or protected status (disability and veterans).
So here's how this works. Numbers are pulled in two different ways, by county and by census area. Regardless of how the numbers are pulled in, all they look at are percentages and ratios. This does not mean that if you have an available workforce that is 30% black that you have to have a similar percentage of your workforce be 30% black. That's where the ratios come into play. All we look at is if the company is in danger of discriminatory hiring practices.
The purpose of AA is not to tell you to only choose female minorities (that in itself discriminates against white men). Its purpose is to weed out companies that are doing this. AA says to hire the most qualified applicant FIRST, and then make considerations for their race, gender or protected status (disability and veterans).
#8820
EEO-Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) | National Archives
Affirmative Action: Positive steps taken by an employer which contribute toward greater employment opportunities for minorities, females, the elderly, and the disabled. In federal employment, extra effort must be made to include qualified women, minorities, employees over 40, and the disabled at grade levels and in job categories where they are under represented.
Affirmative Action Plans/Affirmative Employment Plan: Written plans for programs required by Executive Order 11478 and other laws and regulations. AAP's may contain studies which show how the work force at the activity has been used, and may include goals and timetables for increasing the representation of protected class members in those areas where they have been under represented.
Affirmative Action: Positive steps taken by an employer which contribute toward greater employment opportunities for minorities, females, the elderly, and the disabled. In federal employment, extra effort must be made to include qualified women, minorities, employees over 40, and the disabled at grade levels and in job categories where they are under represented.
Affirmative Action Plans/Affirmative Employment Plan: Written plans for programs required by Executive Order 11478 and other laws and regulations. AAP's may contain studies which show how the work force at the activity has been used, and may include goals and timetables for increasing the representation of protected class members in those areas where they have been under represented.
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