Notices
Hangar Talk For non-aviation-related discussion and aviation threads that don't belong elsewhere

Tool of the day

Old 01-17-2017, 12:20 PM
  #8811  
Gets Weekends Off
 
tomgoodman's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
Default

Originally Posted by DENpilot View Post
So how about the SWA pilot making the rounds on facebook who wears a leather cap and goggles while people board?
We had one on the 727 who wore a railroad engineer's hat, called "All Aboard" on the PA, and then blew a wooden train whistle. (The pax usually laughed & applauded.)
tomgoodman is offline  
Old 01-17-2017, 01:11 PM
  #8812  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,965
Default

Originally Posted by flyingberk View Post
Originally Posted by dawgdriver View Post
Yes, photos of men standing in long lines at the Women in Aviation job fairs. Yes, Begging. While you're looking, note the lack of women in the photo; no need to spend money getting there because women will get hired because of quotas. They are allowed to bypass much of the pain getting to majors/legacies. Straight to the front of the line. Why spend money on training with the myriad of scholarships only available to women? How often have we seen women get hired with FAR less qualifications than their male counterparts. Hey, great gig if you can get it; I would take advantage of it if I were a woman too. But please, enough already with the gender warfare coming from the privileged class.


^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."

And isn't it common knowledge that it's not what you know, it's who you know? Of course some people (white male and minority both) are being hired over more qualified counterparts; they are friends with a chief or are better at networking themselves or are better at filling out that damn Airline App. I'm so sick of being told that I've had it so easy because I'm a chick. No, actually, I worked my a$$ off for over a decade, just like everyone else, just to get to the regional level. And just like everyone else, I'm stuck playing the stupid Job Fair game waiting and hoping for an interview call. My *** have had zero effect on my aviation career thus far, except maybe to give me back problems.

Phew. Rant over.
Preach it! It only takes a quick look around at the pilot ranks to see that the argument of women and minorities "takin' er jerbs!" doesn't hold any water. I can think of plenty of "average white male" types (myself included!) in the aviation world who have advanced well ahead of better qualified and more deserving minority populations.

Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!

Originally Posted by PruneJuice View Post
Delta and united both require hats AA is the only non hat required major they are also 9th in pay, work rules and compensation.

Also who cares what Delta requires of women? Why do you care especially because I assume you're a man? If you are you sound like the kind of guy that sits to pee.
This guy in another thread also caught my eye. As a white, secular male I guess I shouldn't care how Alabama treats blacks, or how Germany treats Jews or how human traffickers treat refugees? I'm not part of any of those groups so it's not my concern, right? I should just butt out? Great! That's a weight off my mind

Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 01-19-2017 at 04:23 PM.
freezingflyboy is offline  
Old 01-17-2017, 01:28 PM
  #8813  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,883
Default

Originally Posted by flyingberk View Post
That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."
Not really though, because you are assuming everyone of those 10% also wants to work in this exact same industry as the other 90% and that they all have their applications in. That's just not the case. I was an Aerospace engineering major and females in that field were rare, and a minority female were rarer still. It doesn't mean the university was biased against females for aerospace engineering acceptance. For every 100 total students maybe 3 were minority females, even though the general population could be like 25% are minority females. In this case, there just weren't minority females applying to this field. So you certainly can't say you'd expect 25% of those spots to be minority female because the reality was there just weren't even that many applying to it. And yes, affirmative action is bull****.
ShyGuy is offline  
Old 01-17-2017, 06:26 PM
  #8814  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Jughead135's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Hates Commuting
Posts: 886
Default

Originally Posted by flyingberk View Post
My *** have had zero effect on my aviation career thus far, except maybe to give me back problems.
Will require pics to validate this statement.

Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 01-19-2017 at 04:22 PM.
Jughead135 is offline  
Old 01-17-2017, 06:46 PM
  #8815  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,565
Default

Beat me to it. I was going to see if she was single

Originally Posted by Jughead135 View Post
Will require pics to validate this statement.
NERD is offline  
Old 01-17-2017, 08:19 PM
  #8816  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
Default

Lol! My industry, ladies and gentlemen.
flyingberk is offline  
Old 01-18-2017, 02:25 PM
  #8817  
Gets Weekends Off
 
cardiomd's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
Posts: 974
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Well, they kind of have a mandate for that sort of humor...
Yeah - look at their decorations in terminals for the holidays. Their employees put some serious effort into those displays. Not my cup of tea but hey somebody seems to like it.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy View Post
Preach it! It only takes a quick look around at the pilot ranks to see that the argument of women and minorities "takin' er jerbs!" doesn't hold any water. I can think of plenty of "average white male" types (myself included!) in the aviation world who have advanced well ahead of better qualified and more deserving minority populations.

Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!


This guy in another thread also caught my eye. As a white, secular male I guess I shouldn't care how Alabama treats blacks, or how Germany treats Jews or how human traffickers treat refugees? I'm not part of any of those groups so it's not my concern, right? I should just butt out? Great! That's a weight off my mind
I was pretty shocked on some corners of aviation and how open the bad treatment women/minorities. One of my DPEs sat for the first part of the test telling aviation-themed women and ***er jokes in the FBO lobby to a bunch of the instructors while they laughed nervously, probably continues as because minorities and women are really rare, only seen a few. As long as there are more applicants than positions the discrimination and "reverse discrimination" claims will be a continuing issue. Everybody loves a scapegoat for that one position you were "supposed" to get.

Medicine is far from perfect too, but almost all medical school student classes are 50% female in the past few decades and at least overt mistreatment is not as common.
cardiomd is offline  
Old 01-19-2017, 08:38 AM
  #8818  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 798
Default

Originally Posted by flyingberk View Post


^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."


Phew. Rant over.
If your going to argue this, don't argue with yourself.

If 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, but 1% of the APPLICANTS are of that race or gender, hiring 100% of them would still leave you short of the suggested targets. Therein lies the problem.

I don't care one way or the other, but your argument is disingenuous.

Pipe
pipe is offline  
Old 01-19-2017, 04:18 PM
  #8819  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
Default

Found out that some of my information was wrong. My husband works for a company that handles affirmative action regulatory compliance.

So here's how this works. Numbers are pulled in two different ways, by county and by census area. Regardless of how the numbers are pulled in, all they look at are percentages and ratios. This does not mean that if you have an available workforce that is 30% black that you have to have a similar percentage of your workforce be 30% black. That's where the ratios come into play. All we look at is if the company is in danger of discriminatory hiring practices.

The purpose of AA is not to tell you to only choose female minorities (that in itself discriminates against white men). Its purpose is to weed out companies that are doing this. AA says to hire the most qualified applicant FIRST, and then make considerations for their race, gender or protected status (disability and veterans).
flyingberk is offline  
Old 01-20-2017, 07:05 AM
  #8820  
Line Holder
 
AirOverTheLog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 80
Default

EEO-Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) | National Archives

Affirmative Action: Positive steps taken by an employer which contribute toward greater employment opportunities for minorities, females, the elderly, and the disabled. In federal employment, extra effort must be made to include qualified women, minorities, employees over 40, and the disabled at grade levels and in job categories where they are under represented.

Affirmative Action Plans/Affirmative Employment Plan: Written plans for programs required by Executive Order 11478 and other laws and regulations. AAP's may contain studies which show how the work force at the activity has been used, and may include goals and timetables for increasing the representation of protected class members in those areas where they have been under represented.
AirOverTheLog is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Elvis90
Military
2
11-11-2010 09:25 AM
meloveboeing
Regional
5
10-02-2010 07:47 AM
kc135driver
United
119
08-24-2010 08:30 AM
exerauflyboy5
Flight Schools and Training
15
02-18-2009 08:29 PM
Busdriver
JetBlue
70
01-16-2006 10:32 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices