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Old 10-06-2016 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
Ask any controller and they will tell you they hate it when the hear "blocked" If they don't get a response from the aircraft they are trying to contact, they will try again in a few seconds. They don't need help from any one else.
When it's busy, as a controller I always want to know when I was blocked so I can immediately re-transmit instead of wasting time waiting for a readback that will never come. When it's busy we need the regular rhythm of instruction/readback/instruction/readback to keep things moving. When we give "instruction" and get a readback of "blocked" we go back to "instruction" and the flow keeps going. If we give "instruction" and hear silence, now the rhythm is messed up and we have to decide to go against the flow with another instruction (when we're expecting a readback), that is likely to get blocked again if the pilot was just delayed in their response.

I've never heard other controllers rant about "blocked" either, although I've only worked in Center where about 95% of the pilots we talk to are professionals who can tell when it's the controller being blocked and not two aircraft blocking each other (when "blocked" wouldn't be appropriate). Maybe it's different in the approach and tower environment though.
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Old 10-06-2016 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ATCBob
When it's busy, as a controller I always want to know when I was blocked so I can immediately re-transmit instead of wasting time waiting for a readback that will never come. When it's busy we need the regular rhythm of instruction/readback/instruction/readback to keep things moving. When we give "instruction" and get a readback of "blocked" we go back to "instruction" and the flow keeps going. If we give "instruction" and hear silence, now the rhythm is messed up and we have to decide to go against the flow with another instruction (when we're expecting a readback), that is likely to get blocked again if the pilot was just delayed in their response.

I've never heard other controllers rant about "blocked" either, although I've only worked in Center where about 95% of the pilots we talk to are professionals who can tell when it's the controller being blocked and not two aircraft blocking each other (when "blocked" wouldn't be appropriate). Maybe it's different in the approach and tower environment though.

Thanks for the feedback. I figured you'd like to know when you were blocked, I can also understand that saying "blocked" ties up a busy frequency even more. I think the real frustration with the OP was, the obnoxious child stretching out the transmission...."blllooooooocccccckkkkkeeeddd". That would be annoying during a red eye. When a freq was saturated, it would be brutal.
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Old 10-07-2016 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
New nominee: The DL guy the other night landing on 28L at SFO who was advised by Tower while on final approach to "keep it rolling through the intersection, I've got two departures on the 1s."

(For those who are unfamiliar, 1L/R intersect with 28L/R at SFO. The 1s are typically used for departures while crossing traffic lands on the 28s. Anyone who's been to SFO before will realize that common courtesy dictates you let the airplane roll through the runway intersection, even if your gate might be in Terminals 1 or 2, necessitating a bit of a back-taxi on A or B in order to get to your gate. If you slowly roll through the intersection, you block departing traffic on both 1L and 1R, and usually both runways are in heavy use by departures.
Can't really blame the "Double Breasted Admirals", unless there is a satement regarding minimum time on the runway. At many airports overseas, preferred exits are stated on the 10-9 A charts such as Sydney, and Auckland, for example. LDRs are consulted in our QRHs, and ATC IS advised accordingly, i.e. the Director, Final controller, or Tower. Spacing for departures and arrivals are made accordingly. But that's overseas and not in the U.S.
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Old 10-07-2016 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Can't really blame the "Double Breasted Admirals", unless there is a satement regarding minimum time on the runway.
When told by ATC to 'expedite across the 1s,' at an airport where anyone who's been there more than once can tell you that the customary procedure is to roll past the intersection before exiting the runway, I find it hard to believe that anyone would grind to a halt ON THE INTERSECTING RUNWAY. But the double-breasted admiral that night certainly did.
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Old 10-07-2016 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
When told by ATC to 'expedite across the 1s,' at an airport where anyone who's been there more than once can tell you that the customary procedure is to roll past the intersection before exiting the runway, I find it hard to believe that anyone would grind to a halt ON THE INTERSECTING RUNWAY. But the double-breasted admiral that night certainly did.
Yawn. Filler.
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Old 10-08-2016 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
When told by ATC to 'expedite across the 1s,' at an airport where anyone who's been there more than once can tell you that the customary procedure is to roll past the intersection before exiting the runway, I find it hard to believe that anyone would grind to a halt ON THE INTERSECTING RUNWAY. But the double-breasted admiral that night certainly did.
you seem upset over something extremely trivial.
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Old 10-08-2016 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
When told by ATC to 'expedite across the 1s,' at an airport where anyone who's been there more than once can tell you that the customary procedure is to roll past the intersection before exiting the runway, I find it hard to believe that anyone would grind to a halt ON THE INTERSECTING RUNWAY. But the double-breasted admiral that night certainly did.

If you aren't familiar and weren't told in advance to expect it, it's not instantly obviously where the 1's are...that intersection area is a mess. To expedite through you have to land and then roll without brakes or TR's, not something that's prudent if you don't know exactly what you're doing. I have trouble getting new FO's to do it even with a briefing, everybody wants get their stop on early.

Always better to stop too soon than too late...
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Old 10-08-2016 | 06:43 AM
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Maybe it was his first time and they were unfamiliar. Plus it was at night, so...
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Old 10-08-2016 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
When told by ATC to 'expedite across the 1s,' at an airport where anyone who's been there more than once can tell you that the customary procedure is to roll past the intersection before exiting the runway, I find it hard to believe that anyone would grind to a halt ON THE INTERSECTING RUNWAY. But the double-breasted admiral that night certainly did.
Old story: Long ago, Frankfurt Tower snapped at a PanAm double-breasted admiral "Vat iss ze matter...you haf never been here before?"
He drawled "Oh yeah, back in '44. Didn't land though...".
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Old 10-08-2016 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Old story: Long ago, Frankfurt Tower snapped at a PanAm double-breasted admiral "Vat iss ze matter...you haf never been here before?"
He drawled "Oh yeah, back in '44. Didn't land though...".
That is an oldie but a goodie. The airline changes with every telling but it's still funny 😂
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