Hawaiian First Year Pay
09-09-2017, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
I think most, especially the senior ones think because they had to do it, so should the new hires. Usually if it's ever brought up while flying it's followed by a "well it my day it was 1700 salary a month or some low amount" so that somehow justifies it in their minds.
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09-10-2017, 07:47 PM
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Unfortunately there are plenty of pilots willing to forgo the first year pay knowing they will likely get the A330 and be making 140 plus next year. Eventually Hawaiian will have to raise first year pay, for now they have plenty of candidates willing to starve first year...
09-11-2017, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
I turned them down last month...wrote a professional letter telling them 36/hr was unacceptable? I got a thanks for your input email return. Hope they up first yr pay for you guys.
09-11-2017, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rama
Its good that they do that.
The company needs to realize that first year pay is a serious detriment to attracting the talent they seek.
The company needs to realize that first year pay is a serious detriment to attracting the talent they seek.
09-12-2017, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
I've been seeing this quite often recently. I guess I'm a little confused. Were you among others anticipating they would raise the first year pay with this past contract? Or did you not know they were at 36/hr? Perhaps some applied and knew full well they would turn them down if given the offer citing the extremely low first year pay? Or maybe you were picked up somewhere else before getting hired at hawaiian? I guess that covers about most scenarios.. Just curious as to why you and others are putting in the effort, filling out the application and actually getting a call and then turning down the job.
09-12-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
I agree its good they do that. It gives other people a shot who otherwise got passed over.
It would be better if people would turn down the interview offer and tell them why. Then someone else could get that interview slot.
09-13-2017, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by magneto
Good that it sends a message, but not good because they pick all interviewees right after the window closes and send everyone else TBNT. So people who accept a slot and then turn down the class later have taken an interview slot from someone that wants to be there and accepts the 1st yr pay.
It would be better if people would turn down the interview offer and tell them why. Then someone else could get that interview slot.
It would be better if people would turn down the interview offer and tell them why. Then someone else could get that interview slot.
Reminds me of the old Churchill quote:
Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!" Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price
09-14-2017, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by magneto
Good that it sends a message, but not good because they pick all interviewees right after the window closes and send everyone else TBNT. So people who accept a slot and then turn down the class later have taken an interview slot from someone that wants to be there and accepts the 1st yr pay.
It would be better if people would turn down the interview offer and tell them why. Then someone else could get that interview slot.
It would be better if people would turn down the interview offer and tell them why. Then someone else could get that interview slot.
Do people actually move to Hawaii the first year or is it pretty much commute until year 2? Just looking on Zillow at housing prices and the rental market there, your money just doesn't go very far relatively (currently in the midwest). For younger folks it might be doable if they split a place with someone for that first year but for families especially those who haven't been or don't know anyone there, saying it would be a challenge is putting it lightly.
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