Poopchute701

Seeing that first year pay is definitely an issue, what is everyones opinion on what the first year pay rate should be? Also, do most people getting hired right now see Hawaiian as a career destination or a stepping stone with the new contract, growth, future...?

Chris99

HAL's regional Ohana pays over $60k for the first year and gives a $12k retention bonus and a $5k signing bonus. I'd say they should at least start there.

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nrodgsxr

What would HAL be a stepping stone to?

Rama

Hawaii is a high cost of living area with poor public schools. A single family house will run you about a million in an area that you want to live in.
Don't even consider the job unless your goal is to live in Hawaii.
First year pay is embarrassing. Think long and hard before considering Hal as a place to work.

WindWalker999

Good advice. Moving to Hawaii is very much different than moving from Detroit to Minneapolis. Commuting works for people who live in, and commute from, a HAL destination city on the West Coast that they can consistently hold trips to. If you can "lay over" at home then maybe almost okay. Otherwise you might as well be commuting from Atlanta to Rome 3 or 4 times a month to fly for Alitalia.

Do your due diligence. Come here because you want to be here, or have an open mind to being here. It is a big move to bite off without really knowing what you are getting yourself into.

Poopchute701

FOs have and are continuing to leave to DL, UA, AA, FX. I'm guessing most of them left before the new contract got signed and commuted from the mainland. Obviously the others have better contracts, movement, "stability"... Many are just trying to get out of the regionals and Hawaiian provides a decent stop for many to get widebody experience to move on or just stay and retire if they can't.

Milksheikh

I think I will end up eventually throwing my name in the hat. Its a step up (after the first year of course), chances to get the 330 right off the bat are good and my goal is widebody capt one day which I believe I could achieve there. Ultimately, it is just another bullet to land somewhere for when I shotgun my apps. Ideally I'd like to get called somewhere else before they call, but if they are the first, I would have to commute that first year before the big move.

leeaf7

I am currently going through the first year; 717 side. About 85 hours of credit in average per month; take home is about 2400 a month.

1150 sqft apartment I am renting is $2500 a month (plus 400+ for utility) and that's not even close to the town (Honolulu) side.

They all show empathy toward the first year guys and their pay. But frankly that's all you are going to see. Like said above, why would you turn down your money for someone who's not even off probation yet?

I am slowly understanding why HAL's management has been focused on hiring guys having ties to HI. It's rough living out here and you won't last if you keep dwelling on that time you were back in the mainland without having nothing out here to cling onto. Even when you are making 150k or more, housing price nearing a million, private school costing 20k plus a year per kid and etc., you are still not going to quite get into that comfort zone. My wife and I (with kids) are still wondering if we could make ends meet on a second year pay when yearly min salary nears 100k already.

Don't get me wrong. It is still a good company imo and the pay is decent even after considering the hawaii cost of living. However, you'll just lose your sanity if you keep maintaining that false hope that your money would go just as far as your time back in mainland. Here things are just different and you must accept that fact to survive. That's the conclusion I came up with spending almost a year now.

harrier1231

I have a question. I currently live somewhere technically more expensive than HI. I've been saving all my pennies to afford my first year if I ever get on at HAL (hopefully they call first, but my app is in elsewhere because eggs, basket...)

I have a friend with a house on the big island. We go out there often, and I'm out there for my job often. People say to use an address on the island but what does that mean? Are they going to be mad when they find out it's my friend's vacation home? Is that too big of a risk since it isn't a huge tie? Should I just get a job at Island air for a year or so?

Moonwolf

I wouldn't jump over for anything else than Hawaiian, unless it's an upgrade from your current gig. I've talked to island air guys who interview and are told to go to the mainland to get jet experience, go figure.
The island address may help, might as well try and find out