kingairfun

And NEO around 6yrs 1 month

IFlyThings

Majority of new hires into the 717, I presume?

Poopchute701

Anyone have an idea how many pilots Hawaiian wants in the near future. I heard they want to hire 100 or so next year, but how about after that? What would be the total number of pilots on the list.

Hawaiiankine808

No the NEO.

ShyGuy

That's pretty impressive. Someone said the NEO is a little over 6 yrs. How did the 767 and 330 look?

kingairfun

767 is phasing out.. no longer a bid option...

330 is at roughly 8 years for the junior guy (rough estimate)… but that is for the guys hired early on in the hiring spree back in 2010-2011.. The 100+ or so hired through 2012 will have to wait til probably atleast year 12 (a 2012 hire may be at 10-12 years is my guess)... 787 may change that a bit depending on who does what.
Either way, good times at Hawaiian for upgrades...

717 is a QOL aircraft (home every night)

NEO 6-7 year upgrade is pretty darn good


Widebody Capt for some at year 8-12 is great IMO

Hawaiiankine808

Im not sure why the 717 is considered QOL. Yes you are home every night. Last flight gets in after 11 so your family would probably be sleeping when you get home and up before you are. Or your waking up for work a 4AM while they're still sleeping and back home when they're gone and in bed at 8pm. Yes the more senior you are the better you could tweak that. All generally flying min daily credit with around 12 days off and don't forget the constant aircraft swaps and 2 hour breaks in the middle of your line. Or you could fly 4 international flights getting you 18 or so days off and most internationals get back early morning so you have the rest of that day off as well. Then you will be flexible schedule wise to accept 150% or a 200% trip. So basically 3+yr FOs on the 330 can pull in more than the same captain on the 717. Yes, obviously you will need to be doing 150% trips on 3rd year to match the 717CA of the same year. Unless you absolutely need to be home every night id argue the 330 is the QOL fleet after 2.5 years in or so.

sidestep

II: QOL aircraft because you get Quality time with family Every. Single. Day. No exceptions.

Just using your examples.. “last flight gets in after 11pm so your family would be sleeping” well yeah, but you get to wake up with them, take them to school, nap/relax/surf/TCOB maybe even pick them up from school before your 4p report - QOL!

Or “waking up at 4am and not home until 8p when they are already in bed” literally never happens.. not even pt.117 legal. 4am wake ups are not easy, but you are always done by 2p. Senior early starts done at 1130a, nap/surf/homework/dinner with family - QOL!

You compare the most junior II schedule with a super senior 330 schedule - 4 international trips? Yeah thats a nice schedule, but at that point, II you could hold Airport standby or high time bankers hours day trips giving you 15 days off a month easy. Plus, no jet lag, no red eyes, no recovery time.

You should talk about a junior line on the 330 - LAS/LAX redeys -fun! Might even have to give up days to get that line!!

The huge negative with II is it is not a commutable aircraft. If you don’t live on Oahu, your QOL will suffer dramatically.

Hawaiiankine808

"You should talk about a junior line on the 330 - LAS/LAX redeys -fun! Might even have to give up days to get that line!!"

Let me put it this way the most JR person until this last award on the 330 seniority wise on the July schedule award held a line of 15 days off and all FO positions for 4 HND and 1 NRT. Obviously someone that JR will sometimes get a las/lax red eye but times have changed. You can hold international trips right after IOE if you know how to bid. Yes you will not get 18 days off a month as a new hire but its not far off..

Or one could go interisland and do a bunch of cycles a day to the same 5 airports for a minimum of two years which just sounds amazing. Not to mention the massive pay difference between the fleets.

You do make some valid points. QOL is subjective but the majority lean towards other fleets as reflected in how JR interisland is going.

Jumpseatcrawler

Does anyone know when and how many times a year does hawaiian open its hiring window? looking to become a full time surfer. 🤘🏻🌴