Pilot Shortage
03-25-2019, 10:47 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,728
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Stop the madness people!
Have you signed up for OBAP or WIA yet?
03-25-2019, 11:19 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 832
Originally Posted by JayMahon
#1: you win an interview by getting hired, not by insulting the interviewer.
I'm not planning on insulting the interviewer, but being honest and telling them that I don't have time to volunteer should not torpedo my chances of being hired.
#2: why are you acting like any non-profit work is a death knell to your marriage?
You obviously have never met my wife. lol
I'm just saying that what little time I will have at home, it will be best spent taking care of my home and spending time with my wife and immediate family.
I volunteer with a few organizations, but let's just look at one. Habitat for Humanity. We're a fairly active affiliate, doing 4 home builds and around 15 repairs each year. I'm a board member, on two committees and I run the bi-annual financial education classes. For the most part, this commitment eats up 2 lunch meetings and two evenings (each lasting less than 1.5 hours) each month. The events this organization hosts are nice and my wife and I use them as date nights. Most folks volunteering here spend 1/4th of that time.
That's great that you do that, and I commend you for it, but don't require me to do it also, at the expense of my family. My number one concern right now is to make and save as much money as I can for my retirement. When I retire, I'll have all the time in the world to do volunteer work, but now I don't. Taking care of my home feels like a full time job in and of itself.
But, whatever you want to tell yourselves for not helping out in your own community. I swear, you guys are almost worse than the folks who refuse to get a college degree, then post on here about how the airlines need to change their ways to accommodate your own stubborn decision.
I've got a degree, and I can understand why some require it. Requiring applicants to have volunteer work on their resume is a ridiculous requirement any way you cut it. It has absolutely no meaningful relevance to being a good pilot.
I'm not planning on insulting the interviewer, but being honest and telling them that I don't have time to volunteer should not torpedo my chances of being hired.
#2: why are you acting like any non-profit work is a death knell to your marriage?
You obviously have never met my wife. lol
I'm just saying that what little time I will have at home, it will be best spent taking care of my home and spending time with my wife and immediate family.
I volunteer with a few organizations, but let's just look at one. Habitat for Humanity. We're a fairly active affiliate, doing 4 home builds and around 15 repairs each year. I'm a board member, on two committees and I run the bi-annual financial education classes. For the most part, this commitment eats up 2 lunch meetings and two evenings (each lasting less than 1.5 hours) each month. The events this organization hosts are nice and my wife and I use them as date nights. Most folks volunteering here spend 1/4th of that time.
That's great that you do that, and I commend you for it, but don't require me to do it also, at the expense of my family. My number one concern right now is to make and save as much money as I can for my retirement. When I retire, I'll have all the time in the world to do volunteer work, but now I don't. Taking care of my home feels like a full time job in and of itself.
But, whatever you want to tell yourselves for not helping out in your own community. I swear, you guys are almost worse than the folks who refuse to get a college degree, then post on here about how the airlines need to change their ways to accommodate your own stubborn decision.
I've got a degree, and I can understand why some require it. Requiring applicants to have volunteer work on their resume is a ridiculous requirement any way you cut it. It has absolutely no meaningful relevance to being a good pilot.
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03-25-2019, 11:29 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 832
Originally Posted by biigD
If you want to fall on that sword, by all means have at it. But it's their interview and their rules. As long as they have thousands of applicants to choose from, you're gonna have to play the game - if you want the job at least.
Have you signed up for OBAP or WIA yet?
Have you signed up for OBAP or WIA yet?
Is there a pilots organization for pilots who don't care about race, gender, sexual preferences, or if you volunteer, and only care about competence and experience?
03-25-2019, 12:46 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,490
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
No, do I have to join them to be competitive?
Is there a pilots organization for pilots who don't care about race, gender, sexual preferences, or if you volunteer, and only care about competence and experience?
Is there a pilots organization for pilots who don't care about race, gender, sexual preferences, or if you volunteer, and only care about competence and experience?
03-25-2019, 01:06 PM
#105
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Baja Vermont
Posts: 5,177
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
No, do I have to join them to be competitive?
Is there a pilots organization for pilots who don't care about race, gender, sexual preferences, or if you volunteer, and only care about competence and experience?
Is there a pilots organization for pilots who don't care about race, gender, sexual preferences, or if you volunteer, and only care about competence and experience?
GF
03-25-2019, 03:22 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 579
Recruiter: “We expect our employees to do X.”
Pilot: “I don’t wanna do X.”
Recruiter: “Thank you, we’ll be in touch.”
Pilot: “Why didn’t I get the job? The system is rigged! I am a victim!”
If you don’t want to do X, DON’T DO X. Just don’t complain when the logical conclusion comes.
Pilot: “I don’t wanna do X.”
Recruiter: “Thank you, we’ll be in touch.”
Pilot: “Why didn’t I get the job? The system is rigged! I am a victim!”
If you don’t want to do X, DON’T DO X. Just don’t complain when the logical conclusion comes.
03-25-2019, 04:06 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 626
Originally Posted by biigD
If you want to fall on that sword, by all means have at it. But it's their interview and their rules. As long as they have thousands of applicants to choose from, you're gonna have to play the game - if you want the job at least.
Have you signed up for OBAP or WIA yet?
Have you signed up for OBAP or WIA yet?
Anyone seen the number of major retirements between now and then vs the total number of regional pilots currently flying?
Ball is going to rightfully be back in our court 10 yrs from now and the majors will not be able to pick only the best anymore.
03-25-2019, 04:34 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 832
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
If you don’t want to meet the current requirements to get hired, maybe oil & gas is the place for you. Maybe any number of other flying jobs is the place to be.
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GF
So I take it you agree with these ridiculous requirements being made by the majors?
Did you work for the regionals? Did you like and agree with their policies and the way they treated their pilots? Did you complain about it? Same thing I'm doing.
Who knows, maybe the unions can help if enough people complained about it.
Last edited by Flyboy68; 03-25-2019 at 05:03 PM.
03-25-2019, 04:42 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Nov 2018
Posts: 832
Originally Posted by FollowMe
Recruiter: “We expect our employees to do X.”
Pilot: “I don’t wanna do X.”
Recruiter: “Thank you, we’ll be in touch.”
Pilot: “Why didn’t I get the job? The system is rigged! I am a victim!”
If you don’t want to do X, DON’T DO X. Just don’t complain when the logical conclusion comes.
Pilot: “I don’t wanna do X.”
Recruiter: “Thank you, we’ll be in touch.”
Pilot: “Why didn’t I get the job? The system is rigged! I am a victim!”
If you don’t want to do X, DON’T DO X. Just don’t complain when the logical conclusion comes.
Do you have data that shows that pilots that do community service are better pilots or employees? Until you can show me the data, I'll continue to believe it's an absolute bull$hit requirement made up by HR idiots.
Last edited by Flyboy68; 03-25-2019 at 04:52 PM.
03-25-2019, 06:45 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: 737 LEFT SEAT
Posts: 136
Shocking!
Originally Posted by FollowMe
Okay, so you have 10 pilots to decide between for one opening. All have 7,500TT and 3,000 TPIC. All hold CFII, ATP and numerous types. None have any incidents or failed checks in their past. All have multiple internal recs. All interviewed well and seemed like they would be a genuine pleasure to share a cockpit with. Who do you pick for the job?
Of course it’s easy if you are picking between one highly qualified candidate and 9 turd sandwiches, but that is not what they are doing. By the time they get to deciding who gets the slot EVERYONE they are looking at is highly qualified. Something needs to set you apart, that’s just common sense.
Of course it’s easy if you are picking between one highly qualified candidate and 9 turd sandwiches, but that is not what they are doing. By the time they get to deciding who gets the slot EVERYONE they are looking at is highly qualified. Something needs to set you apart, that’s just common sense.
The hard truth is that I'd have gone with the 1st to take me. But what really impresses me to this day is that from that 1st day I walked in the door full of hope, to the day I walked in to my 1st day of training, 9/11 happened, and I thought for sure they would figure out a way to get out of their obligation. THEY DID NOT, obviously.
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