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Old 03-26-2019, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
The pilots that care about the PAX in the back are better for the brand. Remember - and this might shock some - the product airlines sell is not safe travel from point A to point B. It’s tickets. If they could sell them without airplanes they would. Flight crews are partially marketing tools.
So someone who doesn't volunteer can't be a people person and take care of their customers?

There is no correlation between volunteer work and being a good pilot, I'm sorry.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68 View Post
I hate this "requirement" or question from recruiters. I'm a damn pilot, not a social worker or politician. Their only concern should be if you're a safe, competent pilot and a likeable person that others would enjoy working with.

How about this answer to the recruiter. "I have 11 days off a month at home. I take care of my family and my home in those precious few days. I don't have the damn time to be Mother Teresa, okay."
That's a good way to get booted from the interview.

The fact that the employer asks makes it important to you.

If what the employer asks for isn't important to you, then you're probably the wrong person for the job.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:01 PM
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Employers are looking for the most obedient wage slave. If you have expectations or demands, you need to start your own company. Customers are easier to find than employers. Pilots are still dime/dozen.
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Old 03-27-2019, 04:25 AM
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The system is gearing up to start cranking out pilots. Used 172 prices are soaring as flight schools snap up everything available. I suspect the pilot shortage window is going to be a lot smaller than most hope.
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Old 03-27-2019, 06:06 AM
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The system is gearing up to start cranking out pilots. Used 172 prices are soaring as flight schools snap up everything available. I suspect the pilot shortage window is going to be a lot smaller than most hope.
That's right, the propaganda machine is running again and dumb kids are signing up for 120k training programs. Old ratty 172s and Cherokee 140s are fetching over 40k. New schools are paying the help over 50k for what has historically been a minimum wage job. You want a sure thing, start a scumbag flight school!
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Old 03-27-2019, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
That's a good way to get booted from the interview.

The fact that the employer asks makes it important to you.

If what the employer asks for isn't important to you, then you're probably the wrong person for the job.
I never said that I would say this in an interview, but you know everyone would like to say this.

Speaking of volunteer work, how do you document all of this volunteer work that you do?
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68 View Post
I never said that I would say this in an interview, but you know everyone would like to say this.

Speaking of volunteer work, how do you document all of this volunteer work that you do?


There’s no requirement to document. Just don’t lie and be able to talk about it if asked. I do have a letter documenting 1500 hours of volunteer time I did restoring aircraft at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, but that’s more the exception than the rule.


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Old 03-27-2019, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jmcharles View Post
There’s no requirement to document. Just don’t lie and be able to talk about it if asked. I do have a letter documenting 1500 hours of volunteer time I did restoring aircraft at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, but that’s more the exception than the rule.


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Now that sounds like some volunteer work that I could be interested in. Nice.

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Old 03-27-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68 View Post
I never said that I would say this in an interview, but you know everyone would like to say this.
I certainly don't know that.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 View Post

Speaking of volunteer work, how do you document all of this volunteer work that you do?
The same way anything else is documented. Cite it by assignment and dates, same as any job.

I generally don't cite it at all.

Every application has a place for it. This does not mean that you need to fill that blank, not are you obligated to fill every blank.

I also don't cite all my work experience. I cite what's relevant for that employer and provide whatever information they require. Beyond that, I don't volunteer information that's not requested, and I don't feel obligated to check every box. I am prepared to answer whatever's asked.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
I certainly don't know that.



The same way anything else is documented. Cite it by assignment and dates, same as any job.

I generally don't cite it at all.

Every application has a place for it. This does not mean that you need to fill that blank, not are you obligated to fill every blank.

I also don't cite all my work experience. I cite what's relevant for that employer and provide whatever information they require. Beyond that, I don't volunteer information that's not requested, and I don't feel obligated to check every box. I am prepared to answer whatever's asked.
Thanks John, always droppin the knowledge. Cheers.
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