USMCFLYR

That is a huge benefit to be sure!
The recent opening for the entry level position at OKC closes today - you are correct.
Keep your eyes out for more openings coming. Subscribe through the USAJOBS.gov website for email alerts for appropriate announcements. Sometimes those aren't open for very long!
Also - I find the FAA employment website a little easier to navigate or finding these particular jobs.

KungFuLarry22

USMCFLYR,

Will do Sir. Thank you for all your help.

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Hello, long time lurker. I just read through all the posts about the ASIP Job.

Has anyone else applied to the recent vacancies? I just got notified that
I'm "Not Referred/Not Among the Top Candidates for announcement" for the Atlantic City Position. Does this job require a referal?

I'm very interested in this job, and I'm just starting to apply to the vacancies as they pop up on USAJobs. Any insight would be appreciated.

USMCFLYR

Referral just means that you made it through the HR hurdles and your application got moved on up the chain for eventual selection for an interview. Although you don't received a NOR like you did when applying to CBP, there is still a listing somewhat based on points and not being referred in the past has meant that there were to many people in front of you with at least 10 pts Veteran's Preference for instance.
I had heard specifically for the ACY position that they had hired one through the VRA, but had gone through the rest of the candidates without chosing one and were looking at the external announcement applicants to find the second hire. Now among those applicants there still might have been a require for the VA points - sorry I'm not that tuned into the hiring process. I'm echoing what I have known from my own experience and what I'm hearing through the grapevine.

Are you only interested in the ACY position or did you happen to get your app in for the OKC position that closed yesterday?

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Thanks for the speedy reply!

I just called the point of contact on the vacancy directly and she echoed the same sentiments. It sounds like only 10 point guys are being considered now.

I'm an Air Guard guy and I'm currently on a 4 month OEF Deployment so I can't apply under VRA presently, and I can't get the 10 points until I separate, or if the golden BB gets me and I get a Purple heart.

I'm interested in and applying for all ASIP positions that open, but being an Atlanta native, I would like to settle in Georgia (FTY) eventually. I asked about the OKC posting, and it looks like it might go to a 10 point candidate as well.

USMCFLYR, thanks for keeping this thread alive, it has provided a lot of valuable info!

USMCFLYR

Bump.

I was having a discussion with the office manager yesterday and he mentioned that he had just completed a round of reviewing applications for a recent announcement for a entry level ASIP position in the OKC office.

In the announcement it mentions a salary range and lists something along the lines of FG-11/12 or FG-11/13. In the explanation further down in the announcement I believe it says something on the matter of 'advancement is available on a non-competitive basis to FG-13.'

Now mind you I am not looking at an announcement right now to get this verbiage 100% correct, but going off memory and the discussion yesterday - so bear with me. You will see that there is always a salary range on the announcements and it has been asked why such a wide range. In the case cited above, it would mean that you come in as a FG-11 Step 1, and if you spent 20+ years in the FAA, then you would likely promote to a FG-13 Step-10 without ever having to bid for another job (like FG-14 PIC positions).

The manager told me that in the application process a question is asked [What is the lowest level pay grade that you will accept] and people are looking at the FG-11/12 and answering FG-12 **of course**!
Well.....these applications are being immediately set aisde because you don't come in any higher than a FG-11 Step-1 initially. So what I heard was that people's application are being unnecessaryily disregarded because of a poorly written announcement and unclear definitions and requirements! I specfically asked the manager if he could address this with the HR point-of-contact as this reportedly affected nearly 95% of the applications received!

The pay rates are posted on-line (Google GS pay scales) and they are discussed in-depth in this thread and others, but let me reiterate that a new hire would only stay as a GS-11 for a short period of time (currently until the end of Part135 Indoc class) before they would be promoted to GS-12 to begin with and in my case that was 1.5 months. So people are NOT even getting a look at being selected for interviews because they are asking for starting pay above the regular entry level where they would be getting that promotion in about 1-2 months in any case.

Also - as discussed in previous posts - the competiton is still high enough that the hiring pool all have at least the 10 pts vet's preference on this bid, though I have heard different stories for other office specific bids.

I've heard stories of other people, in other gov't jobs, being able to negotiate a higher starting pay grade and such, but I am advising those who are applying for the FAA ASIP/2181 positions that they should NOT put that on their resumes/applications on-line.
In the end I hope I heard all of this wrong, or misunderstood what is happening, but I don't believe so. Take it for what your think it is worth. Sequestration is obviously affecting all parts of the gov't too and it is said that if it takes affect on March 1st that we will be under a hard hiring freeze.

Joeldar

USMCFLYR

Read your advice on searching the FAA website directly for openings. Found an Airspace System Inspection Pilot position and applied. It qualified for EVHO so I think my military time probably helped. I got on the referral list probably just in time for the hiring freeze. Not sure what that means for the FAA jobs advertised.

Would you guess they are all starting over down the road?

USMCFLYR

If I understand the question correctly - I believe that if you were sent to the referral list, then you should be getting a call for an interview, but I'm not 100% sure. It was my understanding that all of the hiring had to be IN PLACE by the 1 Mar possible sequestration else we were under a hiring freeze.

I wish I had more of an understanding into the intricacies of HR and the hiring process, but I am just trying to piece together bits and pieces of information gathered from different sources. HR and hiring is definitely outside of my normal lane, so I just pass what I hope will be useful to others seeking information on APC.

USMCFLYR

An article from 2008 timeframe that does a good job describing a 'day in the life of' scenario. The fleet composition has changed a little - no more Hawkers - but for the most part it was a good article.

FAA Flight Check operations | Aviation International News

USMCFLYR

This is a link to a video that details a Flight Insepction mission with NavCanada - the contracted organization that performs the same mission as the FAA's Flight Inspection. From watching the video it seems that Canada does things a little differently than our organization but the general idea is the same of course.

THE AVIATORS Season 4 Flight testing the ILS - YouTube

I do have immense respect for the tchnicians (we call them Mission Specialists). That ride in the back of any of our planes (King Air 300, Lear60, or Challenger series) can get very uncomfortable and if they have to do any manual analysing, I say it is like trying to read a seismograph, EKG, and something from the 'Matrix' combined.