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Old 08-11-2018, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
They shouldn’t have let this go on for as long as it did.
As soon as they confirmed it was empty they should have shot it down.
This could have been 9-12.
WTF over.....
Another armchair QB. My apology if you are a trained professional for these kind of situations
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
I'd be surprised if the F-15 didn't have 20mm loaded, if only because it is a PITA to empty the feeding mechanism and it can be manually safed and rapidly U safed. But even if armed it would be hard to use in a highly populated area unless you were really careful. You could do damn near as much damage with an errant line of 20mm as you could with a random Q400 crash. And yeah, employing a missile safely might have been even harder.
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^^^^This, and to Tired Soul, too:

In 1989, a MiG-23 from western Poland flew across the inter-German border. Soesterberg Eagles were scrambled...jet was flying a straight line.

When they joined on it...nobody in the cockpit. The pilot had bailed out shortly after takeoff when the AB failed...but the jet kept going.

The intercept pilots and authorities debated what to do. At this point, it was over Frankfurt and the Ruhr valley. They ultimately decided to just monitor it. They hoped it would make it to the North Sea, and then they could splash with less risk (although there is still a lot of shipping there...just less dense than all the villages and hamlets of the continent).

Unfortunately, it flamed out over Belgium, and crashed into a house, killing an 18-year old.

I think in the Q400 case, they were hoping they could get him to land.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:12 AM
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My apologies...latest report says ground service agent now instead of mechanic.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer View Post
Ahh...I don’t think they have definitively said. My guess, from his video, and bits and pieces of initial news releases: if not a ramper, he may have been a fueler or de-ice guy.
Reports are now saying that the employee in question was part of the tow team, which means he would have known more about how to use some stuff on the airplane (namely the radio) than someone who wasn't involved in towing the airplanes around.

Flight tracking sites show the last revenue flight the airplane did was YYJ-SEA (which meant the airplane was towed after arriving in SEA), and if it was left on the north end of the airport, it was in one of the few places where there could be sufficient room to taxi the airplane out of the parking spot under it's own power.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cactusflyer View Post
Reports are now saying that the employee in question was part of the tow team, which means he would have known more about how to use some stuff on the airplane (namely the radio) than someone who wasn't involved in towing the airplanes around.

Flight tracking sites show the last revenue flight the airplane did was YYJ-SEA (which meant the airplane was towed after arriving in SEA), and if it was left on the north end of the airport, it was in one of the few places where there could be sufficient room to taxi the airplane out of the parking spot under it's own power.
He flew the plane better than most new hires
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Melit View Post
Another armchair QB. My apology if you are a trained professional for these kind of situations
Does sitting alert on 9-11 after years of sitting alert in Alaska and Zulu Alert in Germany make me a trained professional?

FYI...when we got rid of missiles on the alert jets for a period since the Ruskies were our friends again (92-95) we kept a hot gun on alert jets and maybe one aim-9? That was a downshift from a full up 4x4 Aim7/Aim9 loadout previously carried. 9/11 had the jets go back to a full WRM...

I wish they'd have shot him down. If only to say "you will die" if you ever try this stupid stunt... Sharing the rambling audio only makes this guy a media darling. Copycats are a potential problem. Expect our flightlines to start to look like prisons.

This guy just made our lives much harder. The TSA intrusion into our workplace just got a lot worse. Lots of stupid stuff by the .0000001% puts more sand in the gears of the rest of us who just want to go enjoy our jobs without being hassled.
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Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post
Does sitting alert on 9-11 after years of sitting alert in Alaska and Zulu Alert in Germany make me a trained professional?



FYI...when we got rid of missiles on the alert jets for a period since the Ruskies were our friends again (92-95) we kept a hot gun on alert jets and maybe one aim-9? That was a downshift from a full up 4x4 Aim7/Aim9 loadout previously carried. 9/11 had the jets go back to a full WRM...



I wish they'd have shot him down. If only to say "you will die" if you ever try this stupid stunt... Sharing the rambling audio only makes this guy a media darling. Copycats are a potential problem. Expect our flightlines to start to look like prisons.



This guy just made our lives much harder. The TSA intrusion into our workplace just got a lot worse. Lots of stupid stuff by the .0000001% puts more sand in the gears of the rest of us who just want to go enjoy our jobs without being hassled.


My thoughts exactly...copycats would be worrisome. "Look how easily he flew it before he started doing stunts".


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Old 08-11-2018, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
Terrible.

Hard to believe it was a ramper...would have needed to do a lot of research to figure out how to start up and get the plane going..
Why? People go to atp and have all we have in 3 months. We have such an easy job. This **** is funny, this man was having fun, and went out the way he wanted to dangerous to everyone on the ground, but he didnt. Not the first time either, the pilot in Utah killed his girlfriend then stole a crj200 and crashed it.
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
Yea, I agree that they should have splashed this plane over the water. I do find it concerning that they didn't.
While i agree they should have, they probably didnt because of the time it takes to get the actual approval
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Originally Posted by domino View Post
He flew the plane better than most new hires
Ha! I was thinking the same thing!!!
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