Klsytakesit

Amen. I hope we put the turbine PIC requirement back in. It will reward the pilots at Horizon that hustle and take the first upgrade oportunity. It will be a motivator to the copilots that just park in the right seat for life style. It will be a good thing for both airlines

Crjlife

I’m confused with the wording of the pathway. Is it a flow or just an interview? I’m trying to make up my mind if I should through my application in with horizon, to end up in Alaska in 3 years.

Huskypilot

It is kinda both. After you've been hired and on the line for a bit, you sign up for an interview. Instead of an all-day marathon, you get a 20 min Q and A with an HR employee and a management pilot from Alaska. We're seeing about a 90% pass rate (last I heard) on these interviews. Next, you're placed on the list in order of company seniority. Though the guarantee is about 30%, at present Alaska is hiring about 50% of their new pilots from the Pathways list.

cursesRedBaron

So, you can opt out of it? (Sounds like you 'sign up' for it.)
As is...if you think your chances are better of getting to AS sooner on your own, you don't have to go the 'pathway' route.

Crjlife

Thanks for the input.

Horizon is advertising 2-3 years to be sitting an Alaska class. Is that true or is it just an advertisement?

ASpilot2be

If you're at Horizon, from what I have heard the pathways program is the only way to get to Alaska. I heard they wont take you outside that program.

cursesRedBaron

That's just crazy....and keeping me away.
I already have over 5000 hrs. 121 time....don't want to wait 3 more years.

Sad, too. QX was my 1st choice.

ASpilot2be

Its hard to say. I will be here two years in September and I am roughly 150 on the list. If I were a betting man I would say more than the 2 to 3 years.

Fixnem2Flyinem

It’s definitely a recruiting tool for Horizon. There is no way a new hire in 2019 will be in a mainline Alaska class before 2022. The numbers hired in the last year and a half are about 450 plus. Most of these pilots don’t even have a pathway number yet as the requirements for an interview changed last year to a year on property and passing a CQ event. So let’s say 60% (conservatively) of those sign up for pathway. That’s about 270, add that to the 150 on the list already and that gives you 420. That’s 420 pilots ahead of you waiting on a slot. At 50% of AS new hire classes that’s over 800 pilots need to be hired, and at 30% that’s 1400 pilots that need to be hired. That doesn’t even account for the variable that is people waiting until their seniority number is near the top of the pathway list before they interview, that number could be very large as well. At an airline that isn’t growing their mainline fleet or retiring at the level of the big 3, it will take a while to work your way up that list based on the variables above.

Horizon is also starting to have an issue with people bypassing upgrade, especially in the Q. I really do believe that a new requirement for a pathway class will be 1000pic at Horizon by next year. That will mean you’ll have to be at Horizon atleast 4 years if you’re not previous 121. If Horizon cannot keep up with attrition, they will meter the pathway guaranteed.

On top of that many guys will leave for other opportunities, I think times will be interesting again here in a few years. Horizon just took away the referral bonus for pilots, and stated they are way ahead of the hiring curve. That is true, for now. Watch what happens when the vacuum turns on in 2021. Grab that popcorn, sh&t’s gonna get real

Starchkr

I hate to sound like a negative Nancy here but I have serious doubts about the 2 to 3 year projection. The reason? There are lots of senior pilots at Horizon that don’t want to go to Alaska but that group has been bypassed more or less at this point. When you look at the list it goes from about 4.5 years of seniority or so down to less than 1 year of seniority with only a couple hundred signed up. I think a lot more will sign up as they approach the seniority they need to go to Alaska so the current numbers are very misleading.

The other part of the equation is the amount of hiring at Alaska. This is a bit of a wild card, but absent growth, there won’t be much hiring. Retirements won’t help much either. It’s a young pilot group relatively speaking. Growth and higher attrition due to pilots leaving Alaska for other airlines would really be the only factor that can keep the Pathway Program moving at a good pace.

My honest guess(it’s a total guess and I hope I’m wrong on this) is that we will see some movement over the next couple of years. The pathway will look pretty good for awhile maybe even getting some pilots from Horizon to Alaska within 4 years of their hire date but then the late sign ups will start coming in and that number will begin to go more into the 5 to 7 year range or more.

Hopefully some of you can convince me otherwise.