CurseURedBaron

Do you anticipate an imminent strike? That would suck for the new hires. And/or the loss of the jet expansion and a subsequent displacement bid? I saw that you mentioned that possibility earlier along with some talk of all the concessions to get the jets becoming irrelevant if they all go to OO. Although this all still hinges on the company actually following the terms of the CBA/LOA, which they don't seem to be famous for lately.

Griever

Let's not throw the "S" word. That's a long process.

The lawsuit will likely compel them to fulfill their obligations.

JetDoc

First, and I am not being snarky here in any way, do some research on the Railway Labor Act and strikes and you will learn all about the insurmountable hoops an airline union has to jump through to actually go on strike. The process heavily favors the company. Secondly, a lot of us are pulling for you guys out here. No pilot group should have to go through what you guys are.

oldgb

My question is this, does "aircraft acquired and placed into revenue service" mean only aircraft that we have in our possession, and are making money with? If so, how does deferring planes to a later date (not cancelling the orders), when we should have pilots available to fly them, violate the contract? I didn't see any dates in the contract, but may have missed something. It just seems to make sense to me, from a money standpoint, that having five jets sitting on a ramp somewhere not making any money, is a bad idea. None of this will change overnight; it takes time to train check airman and new pilots.

Also, with the "No Strike" section in the contract, is the only recourse for violations of the contract through arbitration and re-negotiation of the entire contract?

WSPLT

The company has told us on several occasions that the aircraft are simply being deferred, and that we will still eventually receive them once we have the pilots to staff them. I don't think too many people have any issues with that, since we can't even staff the flying that we have (we're still canceling dozens of flights per day due to lack of pilots!) There is a lot of doubt here as to whether the aircraft are being deferred and not simply transferred permanently to SkyWest.

We have language in our contract that prohibits the permanent transfer of the orders, rather than just swapping order slots, hence the reason why the company is stating that they're simply deferred, and will still arrive at Horizon eventually. Since this sort of thing has occurred before, most everyone here is very skeptical of this, especially since the company refuses to share any documentation that would support their claim. We have language in the contract that requires the company to provide related documentation about the order to allow the union to monitor compliance. THE COMPANY AGREED TO THAT LANGUAGE!!! Yet here we are in a lawsuit with the company to get that very same documentation!

SIUav8er

Gosh, sorry NEWHIRES for the inconvenience! But you chose to work here. I hope the bonus was worth it!

We have a "No strike" clause in the CBA, not to mention its damn near impossible to strike under the RLA. So you'll be fine. If you get through training that is. We're attracting a lot of people who simply can't fly an airplane. The stories coming out of the training department are shocking.

Taco280AI

Are they typically people who haven't flown anything bigger than a Cessna? Or in general they just suck despite experience in the military/corporate/other 121?

greenroute

I have to say going from a Seminole to the Q was pretty tough, and I was well prepared. Coming from a 172 would be even harder, I'm not surprised people wash out. Especially with the crazy procedures QX has come up with.

PanRobert

Last sentence,

snackysmores

There's no way those jets were simply deferred. If that was the case, the company would have no reason to withhold the documentation proving it.

Alaska has leased those jets to SkyWest in a 3-5 year deal, it's obvious. The company thinks they can hide it from us, force a concessionary contract, AND still give our flying away.

For those who think horizon management is solely responsible, think again. These orders come straight from Brad Tilden, CEO of Alaska.

SkyWest doesn't do deferrals, or aircraft swaps, or any of that bs. They make predatory DEALS. Anyone who actually believes the deferral story: wake up.

Prove me wrong Alaska, show us the paperwork.