What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
09-23-2017, 09:35 PM
#2391
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
The cancellation of open time is almost 700 flights in addition to our reduction of flying.
I feel like they are intentionally trying to destroy the airline now.
I feel like they are intentionally trying to destroy the airline now.
09-23-2017, 10:14 PM
#2392
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Originally Posted by Ratso
This is your unions fault. The wording should have been "150% or better". Not, "150% that's all we are going to accept for open time". Poor negotiating in the beginning.
The union was engaged with the company with raising premium pay and offering help to solve our staffing issues; we have some very smart people volunteering their time educating our non-pilot managers who don't understand what it's like to be an airline pilot and what motivates us to help the company. All of this ended when they gave our jets away.
09-23-2017, 11:37 PM
#2393
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Originally Posted by Ratso
This is your unions fault. The wording should have been "150% or better". Not, "150% that's all we are going to accept for open time". Poor negotiating in the beginning.
09-24-2017, 07:51 AM
#2394
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Originally Posted by Ratso
This is your unions fault. The wording should have been "150% or better". Not, "150% that's all we are going to accept for open time". Poor negotiating in the beginning.
The root cause of the Horizon issues is simply the lack cohesion among the regional airline pilot groups. The reason for this is the fact that Skywest is non union.
The Skywest pilot group is unilaterally lowering the bar for the entire industry. Because your company can dictate a change in work rules without pilot consensus, you are perpetuating a race to the bottom in an otherwise thriving industry.
If Skywest raised the bar, the regional airline model would cost itself out of business, which would equate to more mainline pilot positions.
Last edited by cornbeef007; 09-24-2017 at 08:10 AM.
09-24-2017, 08:20 AM
#2395
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
If Skywest raised the bar, the regional airline model would cost itself out of business, which would equate to more mainline pilot positions.
09-24-2017, 08:34 AM
#2396
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Originally Posted by Packrat
And FEWER regional positions. Did it ever occur to you that there are people satisfied with retiring as a regional Capt.?
The lack of concrete hull numbers with regards to 76 seat flying in your new contract ( Alaska’s) will be a job creator for the regional industry. While every major airline is reducing the numbers, you are giving management a blank check.
What is Anchorage going to be in five years? My guess is the 3 -700 freighters, a few token flights to move jets between Anchorage and Fairbanks or Juneau, as well as some red eyes. Everything else in AK will be 76 seat jets.
Last edited by cornbeef007; 09-24-2017 at 09:12 AM.
09-24-2017, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Of course it does and the regional industry will never disappear entirely.
09-24-2017, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Yep. Losing battle thinking the regionals will ever be gone.. start focusing on what realy matters.. blaming SkyWest wont help there pilots enjoy good pay, job satisfaction, ect. If they were as bad as APC post make them out to be they would be 4505 pilots and growing... there was a day (mid 1990’s) SkyWest was as small as Horizon/Comair ect.. at 500 pilots... Its Alaska that you should be mad at...
09-24-2017, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Alaska management is despicable but from a business perspective, how can one be mad at them. Alaska issues regional contracts based on cost. Skywest offers lower costs based on the fact that their pilot group receives a lower level of total compensation.
09-24-2017, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Alaska management is despicable but from a business perspective, how can one be mad at them. Alaska issues regional contracts based on cost. Skywest offers lower costs based on the fact that their pilot group receives a lower level of total compensation.
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