What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
01-06-2018, 05:54 PM
#2911
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We're already losing 10-12 pilots a month. Many are going to places other than Alaska. We're managing to stay ahead of attrition. The main problem (at the present time) seems to be rounding up enough ground instructors, sim instructors, and check airmen to get people through the training process. I talked to a jet guy today who said that he had a 5-week wait between his type ride and first IOE trip.
I don't think Horizon's ever had to deal with such a large number of people going through training. Based on my extremely scientific cost estimate (back of the envelope calculation), our training costs have got to be in the vicinity of $15 million a year... a big number for a total pilot group of about 750.
I don't think Horizon's ever had to deal with such a large number of people going through training. Based on my extremely scientific cost estimate (back of the envelope calculation), our training costs have got to be in the vicinity of $15 million a year... a big number for a total pilot group of about 750.
01-06-2018, 06:53 PM
#2912
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Position: SAAB FO
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
We're already losing 10-12 pilots a month. Many are going to places other than Alaska. We're managing to stay ahead of attrition. The main problem (at the present time) seems to be rounding up enough ground instructors, sim instructors, and check airmen to get people through the training process. I talked to a jet guy today who said that he had a 5-week wait between his type ride and first IOE trip.
I don't think Horizon's ever had to deal with such a large number of people going through training. Based on my extremely scientific cost estimate (back of the envelope calculation), our training costs have got to be in the vicinity of $15 million a year... a big number for a total pilot group of about 750.
I don't think Horizon's ever had to deal with such a large number of people going through training. Based on my extremely scientific cost estimate (back of the envelope calculation), our training costs have got to be in the vicinity of $15 million a year... a big number for a total pilot group of about 750.
01-06-2018, 08:35 PM
#2913
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Its rough right now. I need an extra sim session due to a bad day, and nobody has any clue when that is gonna happen. Hard to learn when you have over a month after a lesson before the next one.
01-06-2018, 08:42 PM
#2914
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Position: SAAB FO
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Originally Posted by Griever
Wow. I'm sorry this has happened to you. I have to assure you that I've never heard of a situation like yours occurring in our training department.
Its kind of a strange set of events because my sim partner was another FO, and that FO was my FO at my previous job for a year. So we new how to work as a team. The first time I got a Captain was loft 2. So it was different learning a new captain, and not bouncing between seats. It was just a strange set of events. Everybody has been awesome so far.
01-07-2018, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Thanks. I am hoping I am a fluke in the training department.
Its kind of a strange set of events because my sim partner was another FO, and that FO was my FO at my previous job for a year. So we new how to work as a team. The first time I got a Captain was loft 2. So it was different learning a new captain, and not bouncing between seats. It was just a strange set of events. Everybody has been awesome so far.
Its kind of a strange set of events because my sim partner was another FO, and that FO was my FO at my previous job for a year. So we new how to work as a team. The first time I got a Captain was loft 2. So it was different learning a new captain, and not bouncing between seats. It was just a strange set of events. Everybody has been awesome so far.
Not to be too cutting, but you’ll be flying with a different CA every trip, sometimes more than one different one in a trip, and you have to be able to work well with many different kinds of people in a very short time. Use the experience as a good learning moment and move forward appropriately.
I had a great training partner there (CA upgrade), but was told I’d very quickly “be babysitting a CA” instead of just working alongside one, because there are so many different kinds out there. 2 trips off IOE...
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01-07-2018, 11:58 AM
#2916
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
Not to be too cutting, but you’ll be flying with a different CA every trip, sometimes more than one different one in a trip, and you have to be able to work well with many different kinds of people in a very short time. Use the experience as a good learning moment and move forward appropriately.
I had a great training partner there (CA upgrade), but was told I’d very quickly “be babysitting a CA” instead of just working alongside one, because there are so many different kinds out there. 2 trips off IOE...
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I had a great training partner there (CA upgrade), but was told I’d very quickly “be babysitting a CA” instead of just working alongside one, because there are so many different kinds out there. 2 trips off IOE...
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01-07-2018, 05:07 PM
#2918
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
Don't sweat it. They've cut the training footprint so much that a lot of good pilots need extra sim time. Use your "down" time to review your manuals, procedures, and flows. You'll do fine.
01-08-2018, 04:49 PM
#2919
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Youre absolutely right. Its definitely a good learning experience. I got really comfortable with my sim partner I had up until that point, so it was a good wake up call.
01-08-2018, 06:25 PM
#2920
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Youre absolutely right. Its definitely a good learning experience. I got really comfortable with my sim partner I had up until that point, so it was a good wake up call.
Right on man, keep up the good attitude and you’ll be good.
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