What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
01-18-2018, 08:50 PM
#2941
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Originally Posted by cactusflyer
It's also worth mentioning that I've had two management types (one assistant chief pilot, and our head of flight ops) tell me street captains are a thing that's seriously being looked into, especially for the Q400.
From my "back of the envelope" math, any street captains on the Q would be looking at a minimum of around two years on reserve (about 16months for the new hires to upgrade, then probably another 6 to have a shot at a line in a junior base), which isn't going to be a lot of fun as the Q's lose their longer legs to the 175's.
From my "back of the envelope" math, any street captains on the Q would be looking at a minimum of around two years on reserve (about 16months for the new hires to upgrade, then probably another 6 to have a shot at a line in a junior base), which isn't going to be a lot of fun as the Q's lose their longer legs to the 175's.
01-18-2018, 09:32 PM
#2942
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: fatigued
Posts: 1,397
Originally Posted by Griever
From the letter from Carlos, it's likely we will see those street captains. Now the question is: where will they come from?
01-18-2018, 10:05 PM
#2944
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 216
Once you get the rust knocked off the the deice procedures and stuff we don't use for the other three seasons, winter ops aren't usually too complicated (unless it snows in SEA or PDX), so if you're already familiar with part 121 winter ops, the only real change would be QX or Q400 specific procedures.
Aside from just flying, most of the upgrade to captain is about your ability to manage, be it the airplane, the crew, or an abnormal or emergency situation, so it's really down to how confident you feel in your ability to do that.
If you're confident in your ability to fly the airplane and manage everything (especially the FMS, since new FO's will struggle with it), you shouldn't have a problem with the upgrade, but if you're still adapting to our SOP's and aren't comfortable with the Q400 and its various quirks, waiting a little while would be a better idea than attempting an upgrade you're not ready for.
Aside from just flying, most of the upgrade to captain is about your ability to manage, be it the airplane, the crew, or an abnormal or emergency situation, so it's really down to how confident you feel in your ability to do that.
If you're confident in your ability to fly the airplane and manage everything (especially the FMS, since new FO's will struggle with it), you shouldn't have a problem with the upgrade, but if you're still adapting to our SOP's and aren't comfortable with the Q400 and its various quirks, waiting a little while would be a better idea than attempting an upgrade you're not ready for.
01-19-2018, 07:07 AM
#2945
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 203
Originally Posted by snackysmores
I'm sure there will be a line out the door for people who want to do a 2 leg commute to sit reserve at an airport with limited commercial service, and then fly 6 legs a day in bullsh!t weather/icing/turbulence in a poorly designed and highly complex maintenance hog aircraft to arrive and overnight at a mediocre hotel for a 10 hour min rest overnight and repeat the process for 6 days in a row...So they can be released at midnight in MFR and have to sleep on the couch in the crew room or get a hotel and then fly back home to spend 12 hours with the family before having to commute back to reserve in MFR for another 5-6 days. With no seniority you can expect to sit reserve in MFR for at least 2 years. Yeah, I'm sure we'll have no problem attracting people to be Q street captains.
01-19-2018, 08:57 AM
#2946
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Q400, B-737
Posts: 324
Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Right now I have all the 121 time to upgrade, and was thinking about putting in for upgrade. Would it be good to finish the winter before doing that? I am coming from another turboprop in the NW.
01-19-2018, 02:25 PM
#2947
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by cactusflyer
It's also worth mentioning that I've had two management types (one assistant chief pilot, and our head of flight ops) tell me street captains are a thing that's seriously being looked into, especially for the Q400.
From my "back of the envelope" math, any street captains on the Q would be looking at a minimum of around two years on reserve (about 16months for the new hires to upgrade, then probably another 6 to have a shot at a line in a junior base), which isn't going to be a lot of fun as the Q's lose their longer legs to the 175's.
From my "back of the envelope" math, any street captains on the Q would be looking at a minimum of around two years on reserve (about 16months for the new hires to upgrade, then probably another 6 to have a shot at a line in a junior base), which isn't going to be a lot of fun as the Q's lose their longer legs to the 175's.
The other issue with street captains is with the contract. If the contract doesn't have language for street captains and First Officer bypass pay and seniority, then that will need to be resolved.
Last edited by AlohaNG; 01-19-2018 at 02:40 PM.
01-19-2018, 04:41 PM
#2948
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: SAAB FO
Posts: 1,177
Originally Posted by N19906
I prefer doing class during winter. Hitting the line in spring or summer is nice since the weather is more agreeable and the flying’s easier. By the time you slide into fall/winter you’re up to speed and comfortable in the airplane. The extra workload isn’t such a big deal anymore.
Originally Posted by cactusflyer
Once you get the rust knocked off the the deice procedures and stuff we don't use for the other three seasons, winter ops aren't usually too complicated (unless it snows in SEA or PDX), so if you're already familiar with part 121 winter ops, the only real change would be QX or Q400 specific procedures.
Aside from just flying, most of the upgrade to captain is about your ability to manage, be it the airplane, the crew, or an abnormal or emergency situation, so it's really down to how confident you feel in your ability to do that.
If you're confident in your ability to fly the airplane and manage everything (especially the FMS, since new FO's will struggle with it), you shouldn't have a problem with the upgrade, but if you're still adapting to our SOP's and aren't comfortable with the Q400 and its various quirks, waiting a little while would be a better idea than attempting an upgrade you're not ready for.
Aside from just flying, most of the upgrade to captain is about your ability to manage, be it the airplane, the crew, or an abnormal or emergency situation, so it's really down to how confident you feel in your ability to do that.
If you're confident in your ability to fly the airplane and manage everything (especially the FMS, since new FO's will struggle with it), you shouldn't have a problem with the upgrade, but if you're still adapting to our SOP's and aren't comfortable with the Q400 and its various quirks, waiting a little while would be a better idea than attempting an upgrade you're not ready for.
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