What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
11-29-2018, 12:10 PM
#3471
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
Paint with a broad brush don’t ya?
The FO you mentioned was hired before the “flow” was even in motion, so what does that program have to do with it? She was hired by your Alaska hiring team, through the full interview process. Many good pilots and people on the pathway list waiting to get on at AS, but just because of one individual who wasn’t even on the list... yeah let’s go ahead and shut it down. Makes sense, total sense, the most sense.
The FO you mentioned was hired before the “flow” was even in motion, so what does that program have to do with it? She was hired by your Alaska hiring team, through the full interview process. Many good pilots and people on the pathway list waiting to get on at AS, but just because of one individual who wasn’t even on the list... yeah let’s go ahead and shut it down. Makes sense, total sense, the most sense.
11-29-2018, 12:17 PM
#3472
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
I'm still perplexed why people want to go to AS so bad...Why make a lateral move to another regional in this hiring environment?
Everyone has their own unique perspective on this career, perspectives that vary with life experiences and personalities. Those that have never had a job outside of aviation may think Horizon and AAG is a horrible place to work, they aren’t wrong and if they want something better for themselves then more power to them. Others, that may have had a hand full of crap jobs in other sectors may think that Horizon is a decent place and Alaska will be a good career goal for them. Not too many industries where you’re guaranteed a six figure income after year two at a company working 16-18 days a month. Neither perspective is right or wrong, it’s those differences that make the career interesting
Example:
A few weeks ago I flew with a mid 40’s CA who was happy to fly a Q400 to EAT and YKM. He makes a decent wage, supports his family and is content. The very next trip I flew with a 24 year old CA, he views his job as a QX CA as practice for the majors. His main goal is to build PIC fast and go to a major before he is 27. They were both great guys to fly with, we had great conversations and both of them had good reasons for their outlook on the profession
Last edited by Fixnem2Flyinem; 11-29-2018 at 12:30 PM.
11-29-2018, 12:37 PM
#3473
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Back to the subject of Irregularity Reports...
Oldgb: Irregularity Reports and ASAPs can be filed for basically any reason. There’s a long list of items in our manual that REQUIRE the captain to file an Irregularity Report. These include: Takeoff aborts, severe turbulence encounters, exceeding any aircraft limitation, laser event, disruptive passengers, weight and balance errors, etc. You can also file ‘em for stuff like poor customer service (i.e., long delay for wheelchairs or lav servicing).
ASAPs are primarily used to report safety concerns or inadvertent pilot screw-ups (for example, you had an altitude or airspeed deviation, or forgot to add an alternate airport). Some of the situations that trigger an Irregularity Report are definitely worth ASAPing as well.
BigfatQ: The form in our reporting app has text boxes for describing an event and providing recommendations. Boxes are clearly marked in the app for ASAP use only. Yes, you can file an ASAP and an Irregularity Report at the same time in the same app. The Irregularity Report will not include the text in the ASAP boxes.
Oldgb: Irregularity Reports and ASAPs can be filed for basically any reason. There’s a long list of items in our manual that REQUIRE the captain to file an Irregularity Report. These include: Takeoff aborts, severe turbulence encounters, exceeding any aircraft limitation, laser event, disruptive passengers, weight and balance errors, etc. You can also file ‘em for stuff like poor customer service (i.e., long delay for wheelchairs or lav servicing).
ASAPs are primarily used to report safety concerns or inadvertent pilot screw-ups (for example, you had an altitude or airspeed deviation, or forgot to add an alternate airport). Some of the situations that trigger an Irregularity Report are definitely worth ASAPing as well.
BigfatQ: The form in our reporting app has text boxes for describing an event and providing recommendations. Boxes are clearly marked in the app for ASAP use only. Yes, you can file an ASAP and an Irregularity Report at the same time in the same app. The Irregularity Report will not include the text in the ASAP boxes.
11-29-2018, 12:53 PM
#3474
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
Everyone has their reasons I’m sure, just like you have your reasons to not go. Those reasons are valid to you, as other pilots reasons to go to AS are valid to them.
Everyone has their own unique perspective on this career, perspectives that vary with life experiences and personalities. Those that have never had a job outside of aviation may think Horizon and AAG is a horrible place to work, they aren’t wrong and if they want something better for themselves then more power to them. Others, that may have had a hand full of crap jobs in other sectors may think that Horizon is a decent place and Alaska will be a good career goal for them. Not too many industries where you’re guaranteed a six figure income after year two at a company working 16-18 days a month. Neither perspective is right or wrong, it’s those differences that make the career interesting
Example:
A few weeks ago I flew with a mid 40’s CA who was happy to fly a Q400 to EAT and YKM. He makes a decent wage, supports his family and is content. The very next trip I flew with a 24 year old CA, he views his job as a QX CA as practice for the majors. His main goal is to build PIC fast and go to a major before he is 27. They were both great guys to fly with, we had great conversations and both of them had good reasons for their outlook on the profession
Everyone has their own unique perspective on this career, perspectives that vary with life experiences and personalities. Those that have never had a job outside of aviation may think Horizon and AAG is a horrible place to work, they aren’t wrong and if they want something better for themselves then more power to them. Others, that may have had a hand full of crap jobs in other sectors may think that Horizon is a decent place and Alaska will be a good career goal for them. Not too many industries where you’re guaranteed a six figure income after year two at a company working 16-18 days a month. Neither perspective is right or wrong, it’s those differences that make the career interesting
Example:
A few weeks ago I flew with a mid 40’s CA who was happy to fly a Q400 to EAT and YKM. He makes a decent wage, supports his family and is content. The very next trip I flew with a 24 year old CA, he views his job as a QX CA as practice for the majors. His main goal is to build PIC fast and go to a major before he is 27. They were both great guys to fly with, we had great conversations and both of them had good reasons for their outlook on the profession
I know this, I was just trying to make a good sh!tpost and zinger.
11-29-2018, 12:53 PM
#3475
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1
No, BOB is black out Betty Pina, former Horizon and AS FO, jumped on #metoo to protect herself from a drunken episode in which CA Jeff Engelien was fired, she was later fired for another drunken layover in Hawaii. Now a DEC at Empire in Hawaii.
Don’t need any more of that at AS, great culture.
Don’t need any more of that at AS, great culture.
11-29-2018, 03:56 PM
#3477
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
Back to the subject of Irregularity Reports...
Oldgb: Irregularity Reports and ASAPs can be filed for basically any reason. There’s a long list of items in our manual that REQUIRE the captain to file an Irregularity Report. These include: Takeoff aborts, severe turbulence encounters, exceeding any aircraft limitation, laser event, disruptive passengers, weight and balance errors, etc. You can also file ‘em for stuff like poor customer service (i.e., long delay for wheelchairs or lav servicing).
ASAPs are primarily used to report safety concerns or inadvertent pilot screw-ups (for example, you had an altitude or airspeed deviation, or forgot to add an alternate airport). Some of the situations that trigger an Irregularity Report are definitely worth ASAPing as well.
Oldgb: Irregularity Reports and ASAPs can be filed for basically any reason. There’s a long list of items in our manual that REQUIRE the captain to file an Irregularity Report. These include: Takeoff aborts, severe turbulence encounters, exceeding any aircraft limitation, laser event, disruptive passengers, weight and balance errors, etc. You can also file ‘em for stuff like poor customer service (i.e., long delay for wheelchairs or lav servicing).
ASAPs are primarily used to report safety concerns or inadvertent pilot screw-ups (for example, you had an altitude or airspeed deviation, or forgot to add an alternate airport). Some of the situations that trigger an Irregularity Report are definitely worth ASAPing as well.
11-30-2018, 06:58 AM
#3478
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Sorry, misunderstood your question.
If you need to “tell on yourself” for an inadvertent mistake, please do it via ASAP, not an Irregularity Report. Personally, I would never file an IR for a minor altitude deviation (your example). The less the company knows, the better.
If you need to “tell on yourself” for an inadvertent mistake, please do it via ASAP, not an Irregularity Report. Personally, I would never file an IR for a minor altitude deviation (your example). The less the company knows, the better.
11-30-2018, 07:14 AM
#3479
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One final note... This applies to any regional pilot, at Horizon or elsewhere. If you get a phone call from anyone in management about “an event”, then you need to do three things:
(1) Shut up.
(2) Politely end the conversation.
(3) Contact the union.
Especially (1)! The biggest problem our union volunteers have had during disciplinary hearings is trying to defend the pilot against stuff the pilot admitted to doing (or said he did). This isn’t college... management is NOT your friend.
(1) Shut up.
(2) Politely end the conversation.
(3) Contact the union.
Especially (1)! The biggest problem our union volunteers have had during disciplinary hearings is trying to defend the pilot against stuff the pilot admitted to doing (or said he did). This isn’t college... management is NOT your friend.
11-30-2018, 08:47 AM
#3480
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
Sorry, misunderstood your question.
If you need to “tell on yourself” for an inadvertent mistake, please do it via ASAP, not an Irregularity Report. Personally, I would never file an IR for a minor altitude deviation (your example). The less the company knows, the better.
If you need to “tell on yourself” for an inadvertent mistake, please do it via ASAP, not an Irregularity Report. Personally, I would never file an IR for a minor altitude deviation (your example). The less the company knows, the better.
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