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Old 12-14-2017 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I actually sort of agree with southerner here. This coupled with the inevitable inability to staff are two powerful cards we hold. If we vote yes for a "good enough for jetblue" TA we may never have this much leverage again.



Ironically our $h1t pay is one of our strongest bargaining chips.


That’s funny. And true. Lol


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Old 12-14-2017 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Dude, a TA isnt a CBA and I fully expect to vote the first one down. We aren't even close to a contract.
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So you’ve already made the decision that you’re going to vote down a TA without even taking the time to read or understand what’s in it? Got it. You are insulting our negotiators and those working hard to bring you a market rate contract. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. You must a charter member in BlueDriver’s club.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 04:08 PM
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I sure started a sh!t sandwich didn't I? I'm going to start including a disclaimer on all my posts.

This forum is for opinions. If you want official communications check your emails or ALPA.org. With that said, I think there's a good chance we finish up negotiations before the end of January. Why? Because as some have said JB has incentive to get this finished and removing the looming unknown costs off their books. We've also got 2 rounds of negotiations with the mediator in January. If they (the company) don't come to the table with market rate proposals as we've demanded after those two sessions, sh!t will be hitting the fan. Ball is in the company's court we've already made it clear where this will head if they don't play ball. We're there. Pressure is increasing and our picketing date is the deadline.




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Old 12-14-2017 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I actually sort of agree with southerner here. This coupled with the inevitable inability to staff are two powerful cards we hold. If we vote yes for a "good enough for jetblue" TA we may never have this much leverage again.

Ironically our $h1t pay is one of our strongest bargaining chips.
Tell that to Spirit and Frontier Pilots!...
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Old 12-14-2017 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Combatcraig
Tell that to Spirit and Frontier Pilots!...
Spirit will get a good contract before we do. They are already having trouble staffing (we arent, yet).

I look at republic as the model. Worst paid, no contract for 8 years, then they start cancelling flying for staffing and bam! Management found a bunch of money they said they didn't have to pay the pilots.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Spirit will get a good contract before we do. They are already having trouble staffing (we arent, yet).
I'll take that bet.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I'll take that bet.


Me too.


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Old 12-14-2017 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Spirit will get a good contract before we do. They are already having trouble staffing (we arent, yet).

I look at republic as the model. Worst paid, no contract for 8 years, then they start cancelling flying for staffing and bam! Management found a bunch of money they said they didn't have to pay the pilots.
Define a "good contact" and you may have a bet. How much money you feel like losing?


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Old 12-15-2017 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Until JetBlue knows their cost structure, JetBlue can’t plan long-term. And the investors know this. They’ve said as much in the calls when they ask questions. That’s why they keep asking what the status of the CBA is. Why would you invest in a company that has a big ole question mark where labor costs are concerned?


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Any one of those analysts can plug into their model big 4 pilot costs.

They are asking to try and determine WHEN they need to include those higher costs primarily.
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Old 12-15-2017 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
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So you’ve already made the decision that you’re going to vote down a TA without even taking the time to read or understand what’s in it? Got it. You are insulting our negotiators and those working hard to bring you a market rate contract. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. You must a charter member in BlueDriver’s club.
Why? I have no intention of voting"no" just because and have NEVER said I would.

Just goes to further show that your opinions and judgement are worthless.

You must be a founding member of Southerner's club.
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