Picketing
12-14-2017, 07:16 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
FACTS, FEEDBACK, and UNITY. It’s right there on the card. No where does it say OPINIONS. I’m just as guilty as the next guy so I’m not pointing any fingers on here. But it was specifically requested on the last call to leave your opinions off the internet if you’re a P2P volunteer.
Fact: We actually have 20 of 31 sections TA’d not 21.
Fact: Two more mediated sessions in January
Fact: Picketing will take place on January 31st
Fact: We actually have 20 of 31 sections TA’d not 21.
Fact: Two more mediated sessions in January
Fact: Picketing will take place on January 31st
12-14-2017, 07:17 AM
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Fact: the union announced a picket after the last negotiating session.
Fact: nothing has changed since then
Fact: the union has said we are transitioning to a labor dispute
Fact: we have mediated and nonmediated negotiations betweeen now and the planned picketing, so I guess maybe it’s possible in theory they can work out the difference in that time.
Fact: we don’t have a TA and aren’t any closer to a TA than we were a week ago.
Fact: differences exist between what we want and what management wants, otherwise there would be no more negotiations, no labor dispute, etc. When the company will decide to pay market rate isn’t up to us, it’s up to them, and they surely wouldn’t let that cat out of the bag. They are smarter/more disciplined than pilots with rumors and leaks.
Fact: management can afford to pay us market rate.
Fact: nothing has changed since then
Fact: the union has said we are transitioning to a labor dispute
Fact: we have mediated and nonmediated negotiations betweeen now and the planned picketing, so I guess maybe it’s possible in theory they can work out the difference in that time.
Fact: we don’t have a TA and aren’t any closer to a TA than we were a week ago.
Fact: differences exist between what we want and what management wants, otherwise there would be no more negotiations, no labor dispute, etc. When the company will decide to pay market rate isn’t up to us, it’s up to them, and they surely wouldn’t let that cat out of the bag. They are smarter/more disciplined than pilots with rumors and leaks.
Fact: management can afford to pay us market rate.
12-14-2017, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
FACTS, FEEDBACK, and UNITY. It’s right there on the card. No where does it say OPINIONS. I’m just as guilty as the next guy so I’m not pointing any fingers on here. But it was specifically requested on the last call to leave your opinions off the internet if you’re a P2P volunteer.
Fact: We actually have 20 of 31 sections TA’d not 21.
Fact: Two more mediated sessions in January
Fact: Picketing will take place on January 31st
Fact: We actually have 20 of 31 sections TA’d not 21.
Fact: Two more mediated sessions in January
Fact: Picketing will take place on January 31st
12-14-2017, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You're wrong with your characterization of me and maybe others. You're wrong that myself and others don't WANT good news. We do, but have seen this game at other companies and have been let down too many times here at THIS company to get our hopes up BEFORE a deal is done. They do not want to truly pay market rate and many of us are skeptical that they will agree to the final plug-and-play numbers required to satisfy our NC.
Can you seriously not understand that exact position for some of us?
Can you seriously not understand that exact position for some of us?
Listen, this board has become unreadable with you and others spewing your crap on here.
I don't disagree with many of the facts put forth on this thread. But you and others choose not to do any type of deep dive on what's really going on.
"Oh--we only have 20-31 sections TAd, that means we're only 2/3 of the way there...expect a few more years of this!! Oh the humanity!!!"
The problem is, those and many "facts" are skewed and displayed in a way to support your (and others) position. How many subsections of these un-TAd sections are left? When we TA one of the sections, how many will fall in line right away because of a domino affect it will have. Many, if not most of the remaining sections will all get TAd at almost the exact same time because of how they're intertwined.
So if you and your buddies want to sit around in a circle jerk of negativity, have at it. I'll choose to look at not only the "facts", but trends that are going on as well, since this negotiation isn't stagnate, and don't exist in a vacuum.
12-14-2017, 08:44 AM
#76
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It's clear you didn't really read the recent posts on the subject of sections remaining and how it has no bearing on how much time it takes from here. Or how the company could drag out the plug-and-play numbers for years if it wants to.
You are probably one who thought this would be done by this summer also (although probably won't admit it).
Your welcome to have your optimistic opinion. I know my union is so pleased with the pace of negotiations that they are publicly proclaiming that we are IN a labor dispute, buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced informational picketing. Sure sounds like they believe we are on the cusp of an agreement to me!
Go gulp your juice.
You are probably one who thought this would be done by this summer also (although probably won't admit it).
Your welcome to have your optimistic opinion. I know my union is so pleased with the pace of negotiations that they are publicly proclaiming that we are IN a labor dispute, buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced informational picketing. Sure sounds like they believe we are on the cusp of an agreement to me!
Go gulp your juice.
12-14-2017, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You're wrong with your characterization of me and maybe others. You're wrong that myself and others don't WANT good news. We do, but have seen this game at other companies and have been let down too many times here at THIS company to get our hopes up BEFORE a deal is done. They do not want to truly pay market rate and many of us are skeptical that they will agree to the final plug-and-play numbers required to satisfy our NC.
Can you seriously not understand that exact position for some of us?
Can you seriously not understand that exact position for some of us?
12-14-2017, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
It's clear you didn't really read the recent posts on the subject of sections remaining and how it has no bearing on how much time it takes from here. Or how the company could drag out the plug-and-play numbers for years if it wants to.
You are probably one who thought this would be done by this summer also (although probably won't admit it).
Your welcome to have your optimistic opinion. I know my union is so pleased with the pace of negotiations that they are publicly proclaiming that we are IN a labor dispute, buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced informational picketing. Sure sounds like they believe we are on the cusp of an agreement to me!
Go gulp your juice.
You are probably one who thought this would be done by this summer also (although probably won't admit it).
Your welcome to have your optimistic opinion. I know my union is so pleased with the pace of negotiations that they are publicly proclaiming that we are IN a labor dispute, buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced informational picketing. Sure sounds like they believe we are on the cusp of an agreement to me!
Go gulp your juice.
I never said we'd be done this summer. I said I wouldn't be surprised if we we had a TA by the end of the year. Keep up the disinformation campaign though, BD. It's really the only thing you're good at.
I'm no blue-juicer. Of course that's what negative people like you say whenever we don't join your circle jerk. You have enough guys to grab on to, you'll be fine.
I'm done with you. Big waste of time arguing with someone self-involved in their own echo chamber. Enjoy your misery and self pity.
12-14-2017, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I read everything. You have an agenda. You're perpetuating it on this site. I'm not going to dive in the gutter with you anymore.
I never said we'd be done this summer. I said I wouldn't be surprised if we we had a TA by the end of the year. Keep up the disinformation campaign though, BD. It's really the only thing you're good at.
I'm no blue-juicer. Of course that's what negative people like you say whenever we don't join your circle jerk. You have enough guys to grab on to, you'll be fine.
I'm done with you. Big waste of time arguing with someone self-involved in their own echo chamber. Enjoy your misery and self pity.
I never said we'd be done this summer. I said I wouldn't be surprised if we we had a TA by the end of the year. Keep up the disinformation campaign though, BD. It's really the only thing you're good at.
I'm no blue-juicer. Of course that's what negative people like you say whenever we don't join your circle jerk. You have enough guys to grab on to, you'll be fine.
I'm done with you. Big waste of time arguing with someone self-involved in their own echo chamber. Enjoy your misery and self pity.
Our union is currently and recently been buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced picketing. Those actions say more than your "opinions".
That's not disinformation, them's called facts.
12-14-2017, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Wrong again. I have said nothing untrue.
Our union is currently and recently been buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced picketing. Those actions say more than your "opinions".
That's not disinformation, them's called facts.
Our union is currently and recently been buying newspaper adds, radio adds, billboards and just this week announced picketing. Those actions say more than your "opinions".
That's not disinformation, them's called facts.
So tell me, who do you think the target audience is for all of that? I submit that YOU are the target audience, and you’re eating it up. You’re so bitter and your judgement is so clouded by that bitterness that you can’t see what is really going on.
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