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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
So tell me, who do you think the target audience is for all of that? I submit that YOU are the target audience, and you’re eating it up. You’re so bitter and your judgement is so clouded by that bitterness that you can’t see what is really going on.
So, OUR Union is spending huge sums of money to feed my bitterness all the while they actually secretly believe negotiations are going splendidly behind the scenes?
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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
So, OUR Union is spending huge sums of money to feed my bitterness all the while they actually secretly believe negotiations are going splendidly behind the scenes?

The whole world is show business man. When you realize that, you’ll probably lose a lot of that bitterness that you carry around.



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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
The whole world is show business man. When you realize that, you’ll probably lose a lot of that bitterness that you carry around.



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My bitterness will end when I am no longer being paid 3-4k less per month than my peers and I see a positive plan for the future of my airline.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Interesting you thought I was talking about you when I never quoted a single person.

Listen, this board has become unreadable with you and others spewing your crap on here.

I don't disagree with many of the facts put forth on this thread. But you and others choose not to do any type of deep dive on what's really going on.

"Oh--we only have 20-31 sections TAd, that means we're only 2/3 of the way there...expect a few more years of this!! Oh the humanity!!!"

The problem is, those and many "facts" are skewed and displayed in a way to support your (and others) position. How many subsections of these un-TAd sections are left? When we TA one of the sections, how many will fall in line right away because of a domino affect it will have. Many, if not most of the remaining sections will all get TAd at almost the exact same time because of how they're intertwined.

So if you and your buddies want to sit around in a circle jerk of negativity, have at it. I'll choose to look at not only the "facts", but trends that are going on as well, since this negotiation isn't stagnate, and don't exist in a vacuum.
Dude, a TA isnt a CBA and I fully expect to vote the first one down. We aren't even close to a contract.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:46 PM
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Also Southerner, you should call P.W. and let him know he doesn't need to spend all that money because you know the company is now willing to pay us the same as the big 4.

When I spoke to him a few weeks ago he certainly didn't know that.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Dude, a TA isnt a CBA and I fully expect to vote the first one down. We aren't even close to a contract.

Evaluate the TA on its merits, and vote accordingly. Voting the first one down “just ‘cuz” is stupid.


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Old 12-14-2017 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Also Southerner, you should call P.W. and let him know he doesn't need to spend all that money because you know the company is now willing to pay us the same as the big 4.



When I spoke to him a few weeks ago he certainly didn't know that.

The money is for you, and your ilk, to make you feel all riled up and powerful. To make you feel like ALPA is giving them what for, and all that.

The company will do whatever the company will do, regardless of the billboards and the ads. The motivation to get a contract is independent of anything we do as pilots, in the current environment. Wall Street wants us to have a contract, and that’s why the company is moving forward.

We are in a strong position in the current climate. The strongest we have been in for a long long time. I really don’t see much to be bitter about. It’s a good time to be a pilot.



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Old 12-14-2017 | 01:26 PM
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Can you demonstrate ANYTHING to back up your claim that Wall Street wants a contract?

I disagree the company doesn't care if we picket or advertise. They lost their feces over a bag handle tag.

And while they may have moved forward, there is no evidence to say they will go over the goal line anytime soon. Suggesting they will is a pure guess.
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Old 12-14-2017 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Can you demonstrate ANYTHING to back up your claim that Wall Street wants a contract?



I disagree the company doesn't care if we picket or advertise. They lost their feces over a bag handle tag.



And while they may have moved forward, there is no evidence to say they will go over the goal line anytime soon. Suggesting they will is a pure guess.


Until JetBlue knows their cost structure, JetBlue can’t plan long-term. And the investors know this. They’ve said as much in the calls when they ask questions. That’s why they keep asking what the status of the CBA is. Why would you invest in a company that has a big ole question mark where labor costs are concerned?


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Old 12-14-2017 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Until JetBlue knows their cost structure, JetBlue can’t plan long-term. And the investors know this. They’ve said as much in the calls when they ask questions. That’s why they keep asking what the status of the CBA is. Why would you invest in a company that has a big ole question mark where labor costs are concerned?


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I actually sort of agree with southerner here. This coupled with the inevitable inability to staff are two powerful cards we hold. If we vote yes for a "good enough for jetblue" TA we may never have this much leverage again.

Ironically our $h1t pay is one of our strongest bargaining chips.
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