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#61
Gets Weekends Off
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#62
Don’t worry about shaming RSA, VDA and ‘Helpers Out’. They’re out in full force. They’re ability to buck the MEC guidance prevails.
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
#63
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Don’t worry about shaming RSA, VDA and ‘Helpers Out’. They’re out in full force. They’re ability to buck the MEC guidance prevails.
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
The gate agent called you out in front of the passengers? Wow. I would have had a talk with the CP about that.
#64
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Don’t worry about shaming RSA, VDA and ‘Helpers Out’. They’re out in full force. They’re ability to buck the MEC guidance prevails.
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
Yesterday. I timed out.But never fear a crew was found in a nearby motel who graciously called CS back and accepted a “great deal guys”!
This was after I was verbally confronted by the gate agent who told me I was going to “inconvenience all these people”. Then, had customers verbally inject their disgust at my willingness to follow Federal Regulation in regards to FDP. it was a great time to be a professional at BJ.
But, hey that crew “got their $$ good deal”. I got a min rest night and this AM into a 2.5 hour limo to my next two flights.
Things are great guys. Love the unity.
-Bubs
Guys, it's about to get ugly, possibly legally ugly. I personally know of current termination that doesn't smell very good. Listen to the Spirit guys that have posted here recently. Don't underestimate what the company may be willing to do to continue saving hundreds of millions of dollars.
We CANNOT publicly shame the RSA/VDA/overtime crowd. It is illegal and I do NOT believe the MECs recent communication was a timing coincidence.
We must self-police and ensure no public calls for a job-action are made or allowed to stand without a strong group rebuke.
We (I) do not condone illegal job actions against JB, including public shaming of the RSA/VDA guys.
As the recent union communication says, it is becoming apparent (just now, are you kidding?) that management is digging in the heels for a long struggle. Think about that.... Just *now*, after most of you thought we would already have a deal done, management is digging in their heels for a long struggle!
SOP, as our union and our *chief pilot* have told us to do.
And we need to watch for shark posters and unusual activity.
Last edited by Bluedriver; 03-08-2018 at 07:09 AM.
#65
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I will never stop shaming...Spirit got called out, and they got a deal within 7 months. I see that as a good thing.
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2012
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
I will never stop shaming...Spirit got called out, and they got a deal within 7 months. I see that as a good thing.
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
Oh they have used quotes from the internet.
I sat through an ALPA presentation at ALPA HQ talking about this very thing and how it can and WILL be used against the pilot group. It has been done. Now you can refuse to believe it all you want but ALPA would disagree so you tell me who is right.
#67
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
I will never stop shaming...Spirit got called out, and they got a deal within 7 months. I see that as a good thing.
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
This is a forum...we can say what we want. Work, don’t work...email the CEO, who cares. No matter what everyone thinks on here, nobody at the mediation board cares. No self respecting attorney is going to use anonymous quotes from a chat room to come to a decision about a contract.
So once again...stop picking up RSA and VDA. It’s pretty simple.
The worst that can happen, is the company drags it’s feet. If we don’t stop doing VDA, RDA, the worst thing that will happen, is the company drags it’s feet. It’s a lose-lose situation either way!
APC is a great lace to air your frustrations, and that’s about all it’s good for!
I’m off till Saturday, so I’m going skiing. Enjoy your RSA and VDA pay!
And you are not anonymous the moment JB files a lawsuit against JBALPA for inciting illegal job-actions against the company. APC will be required to turn over your IP address and sign up info including email address.
If you think I'm wrong, you simply don't know what you don't know.
So, follow MEC guidance and stop publicly shaming the RSA/VDA crowd.
FYI, I have never done an RSA/VDA and you KNOW I'm not a company cheerleader.
Respectfully.
#68
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There is a little more to that story.
JG was talking at some leadership thing in jfk.
She was saying how everyone needs to help and we can’t hire cleaners (bs)
A flight attendant pushed back saying they had someone from HQ that got on never introduced themselves and got off without helping.
So one of her own wouldn’t even help. That’s when she asked for a name. The FA balked at that and kept pushing her (future leader of their union) it went downhill from there.
The union has said we are not REQUIRED to clean while operating or DH.....the end .....full stop.
JG was talking at some leadership thing in jfk.
She was saying how everyone needs to help and we can’t hire cleaners (bs)
A flight attendant pushed back saying they had someone from HQ that got on never introduced themselves and got off without helping.
So one of her own wouldn’t even help. That’s when she asked for a name. The FA balked at that and kept pushing her (future leader of their union) it went downhill from there.
The union has said we are not REQUIRED to clean while operating or DH.....the end .....full stop.
#69
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Negative. I defend logic and reason. I oppose rhetoric and illogical emotion. Again, you interpret that as defending the company, when all I'm doing is asking for people to keep their heads on straight and not exaggerate things merely because they are emotional. Your interpretation is incorrect. You take ANY pushback against the rhetoric as full support for the opposite side.
I've said over and over again that we absolutely need a CBA, and we need it yesterday. *****I was wrong about the timing*****, and I lost a bunch of money and Scotch with those bets.
I've said over and over again that we absolutely need a CBA, and we need it yesterday. *****I was wrong about the timing*****, and I lost a bunch of money and Scotch with those bets.
You're a real Rocket Surgeon.
#70
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Now full stop.
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