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03-07-2018, 01:26 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by coopervane
We absolutely ARE expected to clean the aircraft if we are non-revving and according to the company, when we are deadheading. Not while operating the flight however.
Weather we do it or not is an individual descision.
I choose not to pitch in.
Buy yes......we are pilots and the company would very much like us to dig through seat back pockets with gloves on.
Weather we do it or not is an individual descision.
I choose not to pitch in.
Buy yes......we are pilots and the company would very much like us to dig through seat back pockets with gloves on.
Where does it say anything about cleaning while deadheading?
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03-07-2018, 01:34 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by coopervane
We absolutely ARE expected to clean the aircraft if we are non-revving and according to the company, when we are deadheading. Not while operating the flight however.
Weather we do it or not is an individual descision.
I choose not to pitch in.
Buy yes......we are pilots and the company would very much like us to dig through seat back pockets with gloves on.
Weather we do it or not is an individual descision.
I choose not to pitch in.
Buy yes......we are pilots and the company would very much like us to dig through seat back pockets with gloves on.
03-07-2018, 01:37 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by say again
Ok, ok, when non-revving, yes (though many do not). As for pilot duties, no. I haven't put on one set of blue gloves since I've been here. They could very much like us to dig through and put on gloves, and if you're stupid enough to do it then that's on you.
I'm glad you don't.
I just wish we had a legal argument to abolish the policy altogether. They could use the legal argument any day they want to against us.
03-07-2018, 01:39 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Where does it say anything about cleaning while deadheading?
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That sound like they expect EVERYBODY to clean.
Do you think delta pilots have these threads? Arguing about when they have to and when they don’t have to CLEAN THE GODDAM AIRPLANES????? For 40% more than we are paid.
03-07-2018, 01:43 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by queue
I'm glad you don't.
I just wish we had a legal argument to abolish the policy altogether. They could use the legal argument any day they want to against us.
I just wish we had a legal argument to abolish the policy altogether. They could use the legal argument any day they want to against us.
03-07-2018, 01:45 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by coopervane
That is a bit of a grey area, however, Joanna told a roomful of FA's that Deadheaders were expected to clean and if they (or anybody) doesn’t help out.....she wants their names......and she will “absolutely reach out” to them to find out what their problem is.
That sound like they expect EVERYBODY to clean.
Do you think delta pilots have these threads? Arguing about when they have to and when they don’t have to CLEAN THE GODDAM AIRPLANES????? For 40% more than we are paid.
That sound like they expect EVERYBODY to clean.
Do you think delta pilots have these threads? Arguing about when they have to and when they don’t have to CLEAN THE GODDAM AIRPLANES????? For 40% more than we are paid.
Delta pilots are professionals who respect themselves and the profession. Far too many JB pilots don't get this concept. That's why the company insults with their horrible pay rates, benefits, and work rules.
03-07-2018, 02:29 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by queue
JetBlue pilots are expected to clean if going to work, coming home from work, generally known as non-reving. They even mentioned cleaning whether you are traveling for "business or pleasure". The *only* time you are not expected to clean is when you working the flight.
The worst part is that they basically blackmailed everyone into it. They made everyone take an online training. At the end of the training, it made you sign your name and initials. You agreed to cleaning or else you lose your non-rev privileges.
Imagine that! A company that cares about culture and humanity yet they FORCE YOU to agree to something knowing full well that without it, you can't commute to work!
There was no opposition from the union or JetBlue pilots because the policy is still in place and worst of all, we were all coerced into signing it or basically we can't get to work.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. JB succeeded in making pilots do this. Where will it end? Will they make us clean the lavatories or else they take away our non-rev/jumpseat privileges? Legally, nothing is stopping them as long as we keep signing the legal documents and we don't oppose them with lawsuits. They know this!
The worst part is that they basically blackmailed everyone into it. They made everyone take an online training. At the end of the training, it made you sign your name and initials. You agreed to cleaning or else you lose your non-rev privileges.
Imagine that! A company that cares about culture and humanity yet they FORCE YOU to agree to something knowing full well that without it, you can't commute to work!
There was no opposition from the union or JetBlue pilots because the policy is still in place and worst of all, we were all coerced into signing it or basically we can't get to work.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. JB succeeded in making pilots do this. Where will it end? Will they make us clean the lavatories or else they take away our non-rev/jumpseat privileges? Legally, nothing is stopping them as long as we keep signing the legal documents and we don't oppose them with lawsuits. They know this!
03-07-2018, 02:38 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Southerner
He probably agrees that picking up RSA/VDA causes a lower need from pilots. But you are missing the point. It is illegal to pressure people to not pick up extra flying. Period. Stop. End.
People are mad a me for not wearing a lanyard, yet here you have wahoos like this guy actually HURTING the process. I don't want my dues going to a fine or for us to be put on ice due to stupidity.
People are mad a me for not wearing a lanyard, yet here you have wahoos like this guy actually HURTING the process. I don't want my dues going to a fine or for us to be put on ice due to stupidity.
03-07-2018, 03:02 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by coopervane
That is a bit of a grey area, however, Joanna told a roomful of FA's that Deadheaders were expected to clean and if they (or anybody) doesn’t help out.....she wants their names......and she will “absolutely reach out” to them to find out what their problem is.
That sound like they expect EVERYBODY to clean.
Do you think delta pilots have these threads? Arguing about when they have to and when they don’t have to CLEAN THE GODDAM AIRPLANES????? For 40% more than we are paid.
That sound like they expect EVERYBODY to clean.
Do you think delta pilots have these threads? Arguing about when they have to and when they don’t have to CLEAN THE GODDAM AIRPLANES????? For 40% more than we are paid.
JG was talking at some leadership thing in jfk.
She was saying how everyone needs to help and we can’t hire cleaners (bs)
A flight attendant pushed back saying they had someone from HQ that got on never introduced themselves and got off without helping.
So one of her own wouldn’t even help. That’s when she asked for a name. The FA balked at that and kept pushing her (future leader of their union) it went downhill from there.
The union has said we are not REQUIRED to clean while operating or DH.....the end .....full stop.
03-07-2018, 03:56 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
You hurt the process by willfully disregarding a simple request to show unity within the group. You are just as much a part of the problem.
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