I am guilty of imprecise language.

I do care. However, I don't care to discriminate against you or take any action against you because of your decision not to wear the lanyard.

I honestly want to know in order to improve the condition that motivates you not to wear the lanyard. Personally, I am capable of thinking for myself and supporting the union's objectives whether I wear a lanyard or not. I'm also capable of voting down a part contract proposal either way. If ALPA has dis-served you at some point, then we need to know to improve ALPA's performance (I'm not an ALPA official).

My objective is to have everyone align on a "shared mental model" (hahaha) of what our profession ought to be like in terms of pay, work rules, regulations, testing, etc. This industry wide mental model needs to raise the standards of our profession beyond the gutter its in now.

 

Yeah I don’t say anything to a non lanyard guy. At this point it is what it is and I’m not going to change their mind by just harassing them. Now if they want to have a discussion about why it is important than game on. I agree with the rest of your post.

 

This is where I'm at for the most part. Very, very hard to fix stupid. Which is just my friendly way of saying they have already chosen which side they will publicly show their support for.

 

Pure ignorance. You need to educate yourself on how IP addresses work and the Spirit lawsuit. APC was forced by the court to give out the IP addresses of individual posters on this website and they’re named in the lawsuit separately from Spirit ALPA. The whole system is against us, especially the courts. Keep poking the bear and you will get bit. Do not bring us all down with you.

 

And this Hercbubba guy is exactly what I meant in my above post. Do you know for sure that he's even a JB pilot? Or is he some recently joined, low post-count, Mgmt troll looking to stir the pot and provide evidence to be used against you in a lawsuit?

As I mentioned before, I work for NK, not B6. So therefore I have no idea who Herc or anyone else in this thread is. I'll butt out now. Just wanted to put in my $0.02.

 

Please DON'T butt out. We need more info and perspective. Seriously.

I think Herc is a JB pilot, but your insight is still very appreciated. Please monitor our forum and let us know if things don't look right.

 

Unfortunately for some reason guys refuse to listen. There is a difference between fact and opinion. We know for a fact this stuff has been used against pilots yet people based on “opinion” say no they can’t....yes they can and they will.

 

From his post history, it looks like Hercbubba has been here about a year and a half.

Herc, if you're so adamant about getting a contract as soon as possible then follow the instructions the MEC has given us all: fly safely, fly SOP, stay informed, wear a lanyard, and don't tell others what to do with regards to RSA/VDA.

The attacks on here against those picking up RSAs or VDAs don't change any of their minds and at best have no effect. At worst your refusal to accept legal precedent provides the company with extra leverage, which will only help them during negotiations.

Concluding Spirits TRO last spring was the sole factor in them getting a TA a year later is ridiculous and ignores all of the events between then and now.

There are actual Spirit pilots on here telling you exactly this. They've been down this road before. Many of them earned their battle star striking almost 10 years ago.

Yelling out of frustration at others you see as working against the pilot group's efforts may feel good, but it's counterproductive.

Following the direction of our MEC, leading by example every day you're at work, and joining with the thousands of other jetblue pilots who are fighting the same battle, in a quiet, unified, and professional manner is hard.

Worthwhile endeavors are rarely easy. If we wanted easy, ALPA would have been voted down and we would have accepted every subsequent PEA, forever an industry laggard.

I'm challenging you Hercbubba and I'm challenging others. I'm challenging you to forego the pointless attacks on here against faceless pilots you view as harming our collective efforts and to fight the hard way, how our MEC has directed us to behave, as the professional aviators we are.

With this way there is no instant gratification, but there are days of intense pride and satisfaction that surpass the fleeting reward any internet rant may provide. Anyone who has attended a rally or the picket understands this.

A hard fought contract earned the right way will be even sweeter and last much longer than any words written here.

 

I appreciate your honesty and respect toward my posts. I’ve been wearing the lanyard since day 1. I would have info picketed but was working those days. I’m for the union and for a market rate contract, but really disagree with one thing. PEOPLE WHO DO RSA AND VDA!

I know what the MEC puts out. I get the same emails every other JB pilot does. “fly safely, fly SOP, stay informed, wear a lanyard, and don't tell others what to do with regards to RSA/VDA.”

I have never seen an email stating “don’t tell others what to do with regards to RSA/VDA”.

I have seen emails that say the first part of that quote, and then end with, do your job, nothing more, nothing less. At this point, I won’t tell everyone what that means, because I’ve already said it 10+ times.

If “they”want to come after me with a subpoena, then fine...I’ll take whatever punishment they give, but that’s my choice. I’m not doing anything you guys aten’t doing when it comes to shaming. I’m just giving my 2 cents, 1 for RSA and the 2nd for VDA. Look at Delta last year. All their pilots stopped picking up trips for 1 month, and the next month they had a contract!

Please, keep talking about what I’m saying every other paragraph over and over. Because the more people who hear what I keep saying, may actually help our situation if they actually stay home, spend some time with their family, instead of just flying what they bid and being happy!

The best thing you can do, is ignore me and maybe I’ll stop posting.

JB management is like a Harvey Weinstein...they’ll keep getting away with it, until someone does something to hurt them...The MEC is doing their job, but if people can’t bring themselves to work only what they bid and relax, then the MEC will be negotiating for the unforeseen future, while we lag behind in pay and benefits. The only way to make a JB management feel the pain, is when we have an irop and nobody is around to pick up EXTRA trips.

“Drop the Mic”

 

The difference is no one from B6 ALPA nor the MEC has advised the membership to "hurt them". Quite the opposite in fact, they have advised us NOT to harm, or be perceived as harming, jetblue's business and to ONLY DO YOUR ASSIGNED JOB. This shouldn't be that hard for you to understand or comprehend.

Do as you wish, just realize that the union has advised against this type of behavior (intentionally harming jetblue's business) and have said that you stand the risk of being fired with very limited, in any, recourse.

Good luck with that...

"Picking up the mic...and dropping it again"

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC