AIP.
05-18-2018 | 07:15 AM
#161
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Payrates on E2 vs. C-series
Seems like a big disparity in payrates between the E2 and C-series. Does this seal the fate of the fate of C-series... did management just give high payrates of the C-series because they already know they are picking the E2 ?
05-18-2018 | 08:13 AM
#164
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Have to wait for the full language. Bullet points barely scratch the surface. Final language could turn this vote either way for me. I’m hearing the full language in the scheduling section is very good but I’m not making any decisions until I read the entire thing multiple times.
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05-18-2018 | 08:17 AM
#165
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Have to wait for the full language. Bullet points barely scratch the surface. Final language could turn this vote either way for me. I’m hearing the full language in the scheduling section is very good but I’m not making any decisions until I read the entire thing multiple times.
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05-18-2018 | 08:18 AM
#166
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That is a defeated, beaten down attitude. You are so myopic in your thinking, or lack of thinking, that you only accept table scraps.
Bozo, you really need to gain some self respect for yourself and for your profession.
People like you just bring us down. You should go back to your regional or whatever unprofessional toilet cleaning organization you came from. No wonder management ****es all over you and you said they're asking for more. You have no idea how disrespected you are by them.
Maybe you should actually read what people are saying here. They are correct about a great deal of things. This proposal is a complete turd even from the highlights. The legalese will not improve anything. Basically the MEC and NC failed miserably, as I suspected they would.
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Bozo, you really need to gain some self respect for yourself and for your profession.
People like you just bring us down. You should go back to your regional or whatever unprofessional toilet cleaning organization you came from. No wonder management ****es all over you and you said they're asking for more. You have no idea how disrespected you are by them.
Maybe you should actually read what people are saying here. They are correct about a great deal of things. This proposal is a complete turd even from the highlights. The legalese will not improve anything. Basically the MEC and NC failed miserably, as I suspected they would.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
I have not even decided myself, but I am not letting anger and emotion derail my intellect like you Q. Im surprised by your attitude. All through this negotiation process, you seemed measured and thoughtful; you have become an emotional wreck and I hope you dont let this process unhinge you.
Ill probably stay at B6, but if you're upset, perhaps youll move on.
Good luck and keep those emotions tempered--for your sake Q.
Bz
05-18-2018 | 08:21 AM
#167
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Have to wait for the full language. Bullet points barely scratch the surface. Final language could turn this vote either way for me. I’m hearing the full language in the scheduling section is very good but I’m not making any decisions until I read the entire thing multiple times.
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05-18-2018 | 08:22 AM
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Que may be off his rocker but I agree with him on this stuff
Seeking, I was wondering a bunch of that too. Relief pilot language.
Question, when the road shows come around will we get a shot at mock bid with these rules in place? very curious how people will bid. bid the 10hr 3days that would be 15hrs now Or will those redeyes be jammed into all other pairings. Reserve being better, I'd like to get an idea how things will play out in real life. Or will they even be able to run a proper bid with staffing the way it is?
Seeking, I was wondering a bunch of that too. Relief pilot language.
Question, when the road shows come around will we get a shot at mock bid with these rules in place? very curious how people will bid. bid the 10hr 3days that would be 15hrs now Or will those redeyes be jammed into all other pairings. Reserve being better, I'd like to get an idea how things will play out in real life. Or will they even be able to run a proper bid with staffing the way it is?
Even in the above post, youre asking questions- Go to a roadshow and then let the anger sharks swim if you hate it.
05-18-2018 | 08:25 AM
#169
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Have to wait for the full language. Bullet points barely scratch the surface. Final language could turn this vote either way for me. I’m hearing the full language in the scheduling section is very good but I’m not making any decisions until I read the entire thing multiple times.
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Undecided is the smartest position at this point. Well stated.
05-18-2018 | 08:28 AM
#170
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I don't know what exactly defines a pay rate for a plane. To some degree # of seats, to some degree the plane's capability. There are some wide bodies that have less seats than large narrow bodies (A321s and 757s/739s) yet pay more, leading me to think the mission matters as well.
Given that, the C Series should pay more than the Embraer, as it's a more capable aircraft. It's mission is that of the Airbus, it's seating config is that of the Embraer roughly. For me it should pay as close to the Airbus as possible. "Jetblue announces it's replacing all A320 flying with CS300 flying." Not impossible.
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