Jetblue was founded on undercutting the majors in labor costs. I see things aren’t changing. This contract is designed to keep Jetblue better than the regionals, but worse than the majors. Some things never change. With profit sharing, a Delta 321 captain flying the same hours as a Jetblue pilot will gross about $80,000 more per year or as one Jetblue pilot said “just a few bucks.”

 

What are the bullet points? They haven’t been posted. APC’s pay rates for UAL are a year behind. These are the current pay rates and for 2019.


2018 12 year pay (topped out)
CA A320/A321- $272.32
A319- $261.19

FO A321/A321- $186.00
A319- $178.40

2019
CA A320/321- $283.22
A319- $271.64

FO A320/A321- $193.44
A319- $185.54

Hopefully your AIP is within a few bucks of these. I’m pulling for all of you.

LJ

 

They are hidden in a link on the first page. I think it's the third post or so.

 

[QUOTE=Bluedriver;2596538]Our profit margins are in line with SW. Enough said.

And.... My post was in response to someone who said our new pay was higher than SW. It's not, and that was the point of the post.

Do you have something actually useful to contribute?[/QUOT

We know you are contributing by giving “handies” out on the line. You are ruining the profession.

 

And Q you need the get off that non member list and pay your dues...

 

Thanks Mr Delta.

 

not to move away from the name calling, but I have a few questions (and things I hope is in the final language)

-Out of base pickup (with some sort of time limit to protect line holders in that specific base)

-more details on medical/Dental

-clarity on the VPTO/ PTO changeover

-A point most folks missed, was that we are now having "industry standard augmented crew rules" Does that mean we are going to do transcon turns w/ 3 pilots (we could). Or is that a carve out for the 321LR or bigger. **and for those who know, is industry standard a first class (mint) seat?**

- allow all pilots to go to all destinations (doing away with the redline)

-Crew meals

-I doubt its in there, but a mechanism to fly PS in mint for flights over x number of hours

-better wording on the commuter policy (IE if you follow it, you can't get in trouble) no more of this "guide" BS. Perhaps a mechanism if you miss 1 flight, you can be PSed

-Ability to RSV jumpseat (as on any other major)

-figure out what "additional days off and industry leading pairing construction" means

-See if RSA/VDA is dead. Figure out the companies required notice for turning on/off the 150% FLICA window.

As I write this list, It goes to show, that if we have a 300 page TA, there is still a lot we don't know, and we will all have lots of reading to do.


Anyone have anything else to add? Thoughts?

 

Que may be off his rocker but I agree with him on this stuff

Seeking, I was wondering a bunch of that too. Relief pilot language.

Question, when the road shows come around will we get a shot at mock bid with these rules in place? very curious how people will bid. bid the 10hr 3days that would be 15hrs now Or will those redeyes be jammed into all other pairings. Reserve being better, I'd like to get an idea how things will play out in real life. Or will they even be able to run a proper bid with staffing the way it is?

 

I suggest you educate yourself about the work rules etc and make an informed decision based on the whole document. You're always jabbering- try some reading- when the final language is complete; Read, discuss, question, and then vote.
For a guy who has an opinion on everything from needles to anchors, Id expect you to be better informed. Im not even a hard yes yet.

 

Staffing will have to change. Especially with the vacation changes, max unstacking limits, limited duty day etc........

Will be very interesting how the pairing construction will change. I agree with you, that the 10 (now 15) hour 3 days will be constructed differently and likely built into other pairings.