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05-19-2018 | 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Dude

No, because we're not getting the cliff now either. PS stays the same. 401k contribution increases from 13% including match to 15-16% without requiring a match.

The Match was not the cliff. the cliff was the 5% ps that went to the 401 that you” get no matter what” but subtracted from overall PS.

05-19-2018 | 02:56 PM

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The Match was not the cliff. the cliff was the 5% ps that went to the 401 that you” get no matter what” but subtracted from overall PS.

I never implied the match was the cliff, just describing the ONLY change in the AIP regarding PS and 401k.

And we never got the cliff. That was a three card Monty scam, with BJ trying to double count the same money. Either they renamed it Retirement Plus and added it to our 8% 401k contribution, or they discarded it and we got the claimed 13% 401k contribution. We never got both the cliff and 13%.

05-19-2018 | 03:01 PM

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I never implied the match was the cliff, just describing the ONLY change in the AIP regarding PS and 401k.

Ok maybe I’m not following you. PS did not change and we DO still have the cliff. The only change is to 401 and the need for a match. Or rather no need to match.

05-19-2018 | 03:04 PM

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Right. Same profit sharing, same cliff, but requirement to match is gone. 15% instead of 13%. That's everything.

05-19-2018 | 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Dude

Right. Same profit sharing, same cliff, but requirement to match is gone. 15% instead of 13%. That's everything.

Roger. Same page👍🏼

05-19-2018 | 03:14 PM

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Hasn't the lawyer been with JetBlue since 2005? Was JetBlue an airline back then and if so, would this count as airline experience?

All the lawyers knows is jetblue. All the people before her knew jetblue. Jetblue hasn’t done anything operational correct since it’s inceptoon so promoting from within means repeatedly making the same mistakes as those who came before them. No experience from other carriers and the arrogance to think they don’t need it and you have 12/12 in OTP.

Nothing will change with the lawyer and the Mil guy. Neither one has any experience operationally yet both are now running an operation.

05-19-2018 | 05:23 PM

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The UAL A321 Rate is $283.20 this upcoming January. They are in Section 6 negotiations as we speak.

Pay rates are not everything, but this offer is ridiculously low.

JetBlue pays the same for a SEC as United

JetBlue pays the same for a FAC as American

JetBlue pays the same for an ELAC as Delta

What is it that we get suckered into paying pilots less? The cost of a pilot is $283.20 plus 4% a year.

You can do much better.

05-19-2018 | 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hair-on-fire

WTF? Current contribution is 13%.

Sorry... I was off .5%.

05-19-2018 | 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by todd1200

We weren’t really getting that 5%, it was counted twice but we were obviously only getting it once. We’re gaining 2% and losing nothing (toward retirement)

Or put another way, this 2% gain just paid your annual ALPA dues!

05-19-2018 | 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gzsg

Will you and all of your ALPA brethren at UAL chip in and pay for our opportunity cost if we vote down this offer? Life doesn't operate in a vacuum. Everything has to be considered. Do we want more? We are pilots. . of course we do.