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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
It’s not low ball...on Par with SWA isn’t low ball. One again, if you don’t like it leave! Good luck interviewing at a major, with your childish attitude!
I'm sorry but what you said is very childish. Just don't be the pot calling the kettle black.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I'm sorry but what you said is very childish. Just don't be the pot calling the kettle black.
Dude. POG called us "wannabe scabs".

Feel free to disagree with anything, I say. But be respectful and decent in your disagreement.

POG isn't there. And he hasn't answered my PM.

Why do we have to attack each other? I've seen really smart arguments from both sides.

I normally agree with POG, but I'm embarrassed he's a JetBlue pilot at this point with the way he's handled the AIP. Attacking fellow union supporting pilots calling them, "wannabe scabs" is bs.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I'm sorry but what you said is very childish. Just don't be the pot calling the kettle black.
Yeah, a contract to an equivelent airline hardly seems childish.
Also, nobody can still argue my point of the MEC voting 12-0, and how Delta, AA and UAL had to work 30 plus years to get that contract.
We are lucky to get this one! Sure it can probably use some improvement, but it’s not worth turning it down and starting over. The MEC worked hard and got us something better than we would of had if we stayed non-union. I for one, came here because they went union. If you were here before ALPA, then you made the wrong choice years ago and should have left then!
The Vote will be a YES, so you no voters should just learn to suck it up some more, since you sucked it long before ALPA came to town.
Once again, if you don’t like it—LEAVE
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
Yeah, a contract to an equivelent airline hardly seems childish.
Also, nobody can still argue my point of the MEC voting 12-0, and how Delta, AA and UAL had to work 30 plus years to get that contract.
We are lucky to get this one! Sure it can probably use some improvement, but it’s not worth turning it down and starting over. The MEC worked hard and got us something better than we would of had if we stayed non-union. I for one, came here because they went union. If you were here before ALPA, then you made the wrong choice years ago and should have left then!
The Vote will be a YES, so you no voters should just learn to suck it up some more, since you sucked it long before ALPA came to town.
Once again, if you don’t like it—LEAVE

I wish people would stop using the 12-0 vote as a talking point. All they voted on was for the NC to continue working on full language to present to the MEC... that's it. It wasn't an endorsement of the deal. The vote totals may look very different the next time around. Most MEC's don't even have a vote at this stage, I'm assuming our just did because it's our first contract. It's not an endorsement yet so don't let that number sway you. If they vote to approve the TA and send it to us... then we have an endorsement.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
Yeah, a contract to an equivelent airline hardly seems childish.
Also, nobody can still argue my point of the MEC voting 12-0, and how Delta, AA and UAL had to work 30 plus years to get that contract.
We are lucky to get this one! Sure it can probably use some improvement, but it’s not worth turning it down and starting over. The MEC worked hard and got us something better than we would of had if we stayed non-union. I for one, came here because they went union. If you were here before ALPA, then you made the wrong choice years ago and should have left then!
The Vote will be a YES, so you no voters should just learn to suck it up some more, since you sucked it long before ALPA came to town.
Once again, if you don’t like it—LEAVE
Did I say comparing contracts was childish?
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Dude. POG called us "wannabe scabs".

Feel free to disagree with anything, I say. But be respectful and decent in your disagreement.

POG isn't there. And he hasn't answered my PM.

Why do we have to attack each other? I've seen really smart arguments from both sides.

I normally agree with POG, but I'm embarrassed he's a JetBlue pilot at this point with the way he's handled the AIP. Attacking fellow union supporting pilots calling them, "wannabe scabs" is bs.
Not sure why you copied my message. I was just telling someone it's childish to say if you don't like it leave. I don't agree with pog but he has a right just like you do to fight for what you believe. Not sure fight is the right word since that's all anyone is doing. Just funny seeing someone (herc) call someone else childish than say what he did.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
I haven't read the language therefore do not base what I am about to say on how you think I may vote.


What would nat having merger/scope protections cost us? There is no guaranteed opportunity. My long view includes needing merger scope protections yesterday.
Better vote yes. Rumor going around the United training center is that after both pilot agreements are signed United is buying JB. There’s even a massive JB seniority integration thread now on our private board that’s only a few days old. Apparently they want pilot labor peace for the merger. We shall see.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueBus
I wish people would stop using the 12-0 vote as a talking point. All they voted on was for the NC to continue working on full language to present to the MEC... that's it. It wasn't an endorsement of the deal. The vote totals may look very different the next time around. Most MEC's don't even have a vote at this stage, I'm assuming our just did because it's our first contract. It's not an endorsement yet so don't let that number sway you. If they vote to approve the TA and send it to us... then we have an endorsement.
That’s a good point...thanks for the well spoken answer. I stated before, I will read it, but unless there is a huge NO-GO point, I’ll most likely vote yes. It’s not entirely what I hoped for, but it seems to be market rate from the points.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by svergin
Better vote yes. Rumor going around the United training center is that after both pilot agreements are signed United is buying JB. There’s even a massive JB seniority integration thread now on our private board that’s only a few days old. Apparently they want pilot labor peace for the merger. We shall see.
I would love this to be true. However, we have to vote on the facts as they sit today. Hopes and dreams is what got us into this mess.
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Old 05-20-2018 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Dude. POG called us "wannabe scabs".

Feel free to disagree with anything, I say. But be respectful and decent in your disagreement.

POG isn't there. And he hasn't answered my PM.

Why do we have to attack each other? I've seen really smart arguments from both sides.

I normally agree with POG, but I'm embarrassed he's a JetBlue pilot at this point with the way he's handled the AIP. Attacking fellow union supporting pilots calling them, "wannabe scabs" is bs.
What is embarassing is your seamingly eager desire to lower the bar.
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