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There’s a marketplace. JB and United have different fuel costs. We have different costs for long term MX programs. Engine prices. Aircraft prices are negotiated too.

Unless you’re talking services provided by government like landing fees or ATC fees I’d say each airline constantly negotiates for products and services.

 

We have industry leading scope (pending final language).

United has industry trailing scope and folks on RSV have to sit airport standby (our AIP specifically prohibits this.)

Do I want more? Always. Do I want a regional flying 67 or 50 seats as Jetblue express? Hell no. Do I want to sit airport standby? Absolutely not.

Not trying to rag on United guys. They are some of the best guys I’ve met on the line, but that is who you used in your example.

Always consider the totality ofbthe agreement. Don’t get stuck looking at pay rates and nothing more.

 

Hi. I was looking over the Bullet points. Would you mind clarifying a few things that have acronyms or existing work rules, those of us on the outside don't understand. I realize that the wording of the agreement isn't known yet. I haven't worked in the Part 121 environment before.

'Establish Premium Open Time FCFS Flica window for pickup at 150% to be used at company discretion'

What does that specifically mean.

I have friends in other airlines, and they accumulate a lot of credit hours in excess of the maximum hours they would legally be able to fly. It doesn't seem to impair their QOL that much either.

What are the practical opportunities for earning extra credit hours per month. As there is still no agreement, I'm just working on the idea that what's in place, will either be enhanced for the better, or brought in line with 'industry standard'.

I'm asking this not in the context of the current unhappiness among the pilot group, and only to get an idea of what earnings would be possible, without compromising QOL too much.
Thanks

 

To the 150%FCFS window question, it’s simply a bucket that will be available that has trips in it that will pay 150%. Only trips they really need covered will be placed in there during situations like irops.

So since we’re basically in an irop 24/7 your going to be able to pick up plenty of extra work if you choose to ***** youreself out on a regular basis.

Practically speaking I think it’s going to take time to see how this plays out and how the players play the new game. There’s always going to be min sked guys and fly till you die guys. Honestly it’s too early to tell.

 

We got 6 or 7 RSA emails yesterday because we are consistently short staffed here. That’s reserve augmentation to sit reserve on a day off at 150% with a guaranteed credit of 4:12 regardless of whether you fly. We also have people who do VDAs, who pick up trips for 190%. That bullet point you are talking about is a premium trip pickup window in our trip trading website...which would allow anyone to fcfs (first come first served) pickup a premium trip. No idea what all the details will be in the TA/CBA for premium opportunities other than what the bullet says.

I don’t pick up anything outside my scheduled line, and have consistently credited about 78-86 a month and flown 30-60, due to schedule modifications/cancelations, DHs, rigs, etc. Depending on the airframe and type of schedule you bid, you can get a lot of soft time. If this AIP turns into a ratified CBA, trip construction will be different, and I have no idea how the block to credit ratio will look. I know that Bunker won’t be crediting 150 a month anymore though with his current strategy lol. There will always be ways to make money though, especially at such an understaffed airline. What our avg QOL and days off will look like will depend largely on the details beyond the published bullet points, and even then may not be fully realized until a few bids under the implemented changes occur.

 

Once the contract is said and done, and there's a 150% flag in place for trips...It's between you and the bots. Forget the morality police above.

 

Can someone give an interpretation of the following line, ‘Industry-leading pairing construction rules ‘.

How would it be seen from a company perspective.

And from a union/pilot perspective.

How might each benefit/lose out.

What does ‘max unstacking restrictions’ mean?

Do many of these provisions suit pilots with a line more than those on reserve

 

Industry leading pairing construction rules is a broad statement. Could be, "The Association has final say over a given months pairing construction." "The Association determines the ratio of 1-2-3-4-5 day pairings constructed." It could be a huge variety of things.

 

Can we really say "industry leading" scope? I think Southwest has much better, maybe we are second?

Scope is bottom ended (RJs-capacity purchase agreements) and top ended (widebodies-codesharing (and possibly RJs/JetSuiteX via codeshare instead of a capacity purchase agreement)).

The premium FCFS window is at the "company's discretion". The company has the ability to turn on 150% open time now, has since PEA 2013 when they "removed the trigger". Yeah, they've turned it on ONCE since 2013.........

Same skepticism should be taken toward 75% OE pairings withheld. That means 100% in JB world.

Company in private meeting- We need 3,000 hours of OE next month.

Company to ALPA- "We need 4,500 hours of OE next month, so we are withholding 3375 hours of FO check airmen time from the FO bid.

Result, what 25%?

At least I'll get another 3k profit sharing check after an amazingly profitable year!

Oh, and at least I get less vacation to make up for it.

 

Will open time be seniority or favor pilots that live in base that actually don’t even have to look at the trip or have Bots?