We (UAL) are in early negotiations now. Not a single section is agreed upon but initial offers were passed and negotiations started a few months ago. We still have a scheduled 4% raise in Jan so I don’t think anyone is feeling too rushed either.

Also I just looked at our profile payrates in APC. They’re from 2017. Currently A320/321 is $272/186 in Jan goes to $283/193. Just for a reference since many have compared your current TA to other majors.

Best of luck!

 

A few thoughts.

Signing bonus - typically reserved for carriers who already have contracts and delay negotiations. Jetblue has no contract and therefore we shouldn’t expect or compare ourselves to Spirit.

OE trips - FO’s have figured out they can bid all the trips that a CKA bids and ultimately get bought off essentiallly working the system.

I’m not fan of jetblue, everyone knows that, but some of these issues need to be seen for what they are. Happy to get a signing bonus( should it pass) and working the system is not a long term solution.

PTOSB - never used it and don’t care if it’s removed. Selling back sick time because I can’t use it for vacation because jetblue refuses to provide proper allotments is not worth saving.
Provide proper vacation allotments and a sick bank.

Solid NO vote if insurance is not codified in the agreement. $2600 deductible is rediculous in this industry with an airline like jetblue. Each year they gut the insurance further and if it’s not in the agreement jetblue will use our healthcare as a mechanism to offset the pay raise and retirement.

Contract or not Jetblue is not the honest decent company they portend to be.

If its not in the agreement, ladies and gents, consider it a moving target that will get worse and cost you money year over year.

You younger pilots take this issue seriously. Especially those of you who hope to get married and/or have families.

 

100% agreed. At some point you have to trust that the NC knew where the limit was and got close.
It may not look great upon a glance, but lets see what it means for day to day/ Yr to Yr QOL. It seems the absolute NO votes are reacting in anger and frustration- That is emotion over intellect.
Lets see it all and then kill it if it needs to die.
For those of you who think B6 owes you for lost wages etc and that the mediator should consider that... Your dreaming. NEVER gonna happen.

 

Ok ok, first time for everything as I have to say I agree with you! Lets see this thing in full language and make our decision.

 

The NC are educated, high character individuals. These aren’t PVC pilots trying to gain a management job. Trust but verify.

 

anyone on the P2P call tonight?

if so please keep us updated.

 

Anyone heard anything about training pay? Is it the same $2000 a month flat? Kinda rough.


Thanks

 

See there's hope for every one- Glad you finally see the light
Jkg. Yea- the work rules cannot be truly understood in bulletpoints and therefore, guys have no idea what their QOL will become.
I just trust that the NC got what they could and SCOPE SCOPE SCOPE.

 

With you on this. Havent heard a bad word about them except from guys who dont know them.

 

Working the system? WTF are you talking about? This is a blatant violation of seniority. So F-ing what if with that seniority they're able to get trips bought off. It happens at every airline. Delta voted no on their last contract the first time in part because of this very issue. Nice to see they don't eat their own like you selfish Fuk's do.

It's not all about bidding trips off. Now the senior FOs will bid more productive trips that would have gone to less senior FOs, or they're upgrade and deny other guys an upgrade who may have wanted it earlier.

This group can be so F-ing short sighted sometimes.