Originally Posted by queue

No one who does something for the first time knows how to do it. You would do much better than current management because you know the industry at a working level. The management 101 stuff is trivial and easy. You may have to sell your morals and ethics to make it in NYC but there are exceptions.



I would venture to guess that about 70% of all other industries out there are more difficult than running an airline. Think about it... there are no real unknowns. It's not fundamentally different than buying a fleet of cabs then copying the competition. There are plenty of management consultants that will walk you through airline management 101. There are hundreds of "air carriers" flying under Part 121 and Part 135 that are total amateur operations, yet they turn a profit.



Getting to the moon was hard. Airline stuff is not intellectually "hard" - it just takes brute force.

• Kennedy says he wants the USA to get to the Moon (~1962)
• When the astronauts landed on the moon (~1969)
• ~7 years
• Time elapsed so far on the BJ contract negotiation: ~3+ yrs
• Average age of Apollo engineers: 28 yrs old

And that was back in the day when people cared about being first at something important, not being the first female CEO or some sexist leftist agenda.



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Originally Posted by hyperboy

You act like the masses are reading these posts......it’s like 12 people Q. Get a new hobby and wait for the language . Nothing will make you happy ever included by reading the language.

Originally Posted by hyperboy

I am so thankful that each of your posts do not represent a different pilot. You get one vote so use it. We know......

Originally Posted by queue

Isn't that 12 more than you?



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Originally Posted by queue

HB, did I ever give you the impression that I cared about anything you said?




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Originally Posted by svergin

Thats because JB isn’t big enough or fly widebody planes to Europe or Asia to really need a feed. When someone buys a ticket to Paris on JB, who’s flying them there? Because you can’t make it in an A-320. Seems that JB is the feed for someone else’s International flying. So yes, the Big 3 all have massive RJ Express carriers flying to Scranton, etc while we also fly 777s, 787s, 767s etc, all over the world. So saying you don’t want Legacy rates if it comes with legacy scope makes no sense. You’ve farmed out 100% of international flying, the most premium flying out there for pay and QOL. Good luck with your contract, I hope it turns out being better than it appears. You’re going to be stuck with it for a long time.

Originally Posted by hyperboy

So don't read my posts, don't respond and log out of APC?

Originally Posted by svergin

Thats because JB isn’t big enough or fly widebody planes to Europe or Asia to really need a feed. When someone buys a ticket to Paris on JB, who’s flying them there? Because you can’t make it in an A-320. Seems that JB is the feed for someone else’s International flying. So yes, the Big 3 all have massive RJ Express carriers flying to Scranton, etc while we also fly 777s, 787s, 767s etc, all over the world. So saying you don’t want Legacy rates if it comes with legacy scope makes no sense. You’ve farmed out 100% of international flying, the most premium flying out there for pay and QOL. Good luck with your contract, I hope it turns out being better than it appears. You’re going to be stuck with it for a long time.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Well not 100% of our international flying.

How much of your domestic flying is on non mainline aircraft?

Guess you guys don’t do any codeshares either. Maybe you are not part of skyteam or star alliance or anything.

Gosh I would think an airline fighting to make sure they keep as much of their flying would be a good thing, guess not.
Kind of a pot kettle argument.

Originally Posted by svergin

Good luck with your flying career.