AIP.
05-27-2018 | 07:36 AM
#591
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If this is ratified, Wall Street gets off their back, the fleet review finishes and orders are made, rates are locked in, and in 2022 when this is amendable there will be zero reason for the company to negotiate. Then after a few years of trying to negotiate (2025), we start this whole 1000 days, picketing, SOP campaign again after the pilot group gets plssed off, since by that time we will be so far back.
05-27-2018 | 08:05 AM
#592
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Delta and SWA had new and much better TAs about a year or so later after theirs got voted down it will probably be similar for JetBlue, and probably worth it in the long run.
05-27-2018 | 08:39 AM
#593
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There's no reason then that at 4 years plus 1 day we immediately go into labor dispute mode.
05-27-2018 | 08:42 AM
#594
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But, but, I want a raise now!!! Screw thinking 6-8 years out. Or about our next contract, which will undoubtedly be easier to negotiate if this one is more solid than it is. And last but not least, screw the other airlines who are negotiating and pattern bargaining off of us as we lower the bar and make it harder for them to make gains, which in turn makes it hard to make gains for us later.
05-27-2018 | 08:47 AM
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You can’t go into a labor dispute a day after a contract becomes amendable and negotiations open. I don’t think there’s any precedent for that, and I don’t think ALPA would take that stance. You have to at least try to negotiate in good faith, then file for mediation if that doesn’t work, then progress into a labor dispute if that doesn’t work. Full disclosure, I don’t know when we are set to open sec 6 negotiations if this passes, and/or the full term of the TA that is to be seen, but I can’t imagine ALPA wouid just go into labor dispute mode right away. And we won’t have the same leverage then as we do now.
05-27-2018 | 09:03 AM
#597
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You need to read Ayn Rand before accusing me of her :-)
I love it when leftists think they know something because they read the talking points of Buzzfeed. It just demonstrates their lack of education.
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05-27-2018 | 09:05 AM
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I think it would be far better if we negotiated A LOT more. People are looking at Year 1 increases or even Year 5/10 increases but they are not looking at the Total Cost of Ownership. If you look at the overall cost/compensation we will lose big-time with the current AIP.
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05-27-2018 | 09:11 AM
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We were epically stupid, now we pay.
My post was explaining the 7-8 years we are going to live under this contract.
05-27-2018 | 09:13 AM
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I think it would be far better if we negotiated A LOT more. People are looking at Year 1 increases or even Year 5/10 increases but they are not looking at the Total Cost of Ownership. If you look at the overall cost/compensation we will lose big-time with the current AIP.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
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