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Old 05-31-2018 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Didn’t everybody?

Smh.
I honestly think we need to ask the MEC/NC this exact question.

They seemed happy with the results.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 10:43 AM
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"TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive".

That style of employee selection amassed a group of employees that will always take it in the shorts and then turn around and explain why it was good for them.

At least we have a "Contract Above All":

Jetblue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant

King shizzle of turd Island!

Let's get'm next time. Or the next for sure, maybe!

Who knew "Market Rate" = whatever would match the survey.

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Old 05-31-2018 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
"TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive".

That style of employee selection amassed a group of employees that will always take it in the shorts and then turn around and explain why it was good for them.

At we have a contract above all:

Jetblue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant

King shizzle of turd Island!

Let get'm next time. Or the next for sure, maybe!

Who knew "Market Rate" = whatever would match the survey.
So, you didn't put in your survey "just make me a little better than Alaska" then?
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Old 05-31-2018 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
"TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive".

That style of employee selection amassed a group of employees that will always take it in the shorts and then turn around and explain why it was good for them.

At we have a contract above all:

Jetblue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant

King shizzle of turd Island!

Let get'm next time. Or the next for sure, maybe!

Who knew "Market Rate" = whatever would match the survey.
So true, all of it.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
"TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive".

That style of employee selection amassed a group of employees that will always take it in the shorts and then turn around and explain why it was good for them.

At least we have a "Contract Above All":

Jetblue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant

King shizzle of turd Island!

Let's get'm next time. Or the next for sure, maybe!

Who knew "Market Rate" = whatever would match the survey.
Is this under a new tentative CBA or present book?
If its the former, how can you measure it accurately without the bulk of the info?
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Old 05-31-2018 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Is this under a new tentative CBA or present book?
If its the former, how can you measure it accurately without the bulk of the info?
I'm simply listening to the narrative as it forms.

The narrative isn't about the wonderfulness of the AIP.

For every "hey the AIP does such and such" I hear 20 'it will pass".
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Old 06-01-2018 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
I'm simply listening to the narrative as it forms.

The narrative isn't about the wonderfulness of the AIP.

For every "hey the AIP does such and such" I hear 20 'it will pass".
You’re hearing a ton of speculation, that’s it. None of us have all the information available to make a decision. I could be a Yes or a No. I have no idea at this point.
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Old 06-01-2018 | 05:55 AM
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I’m hearing P2Pers and lec
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Old 06-01-2018 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Our Scope-as bulleted-is industry leading.
Your “industry leading” scope is because JB is not a network carrier. JB is a point to point carrier. Same with SW. Neither airline feeds a network. You just serve cities. Massive network carriers like American, Delta, United, etc all need feed from smaller cities that mainline aircraft can’t economically fly to. JB doesn’t fly to Bismark, Minot, Grand Forks, Lubbock, El Paso, etc because it doesn’t make financial sense to do it in an A-320. So some 50 seat jet flys in there and brings those passengers to ORD, DEN, DFW, ATL, etc and mainline flies them to Europe, etc. Scope sounds like something the company had no problem agreeing to because they didn’t intend to fly to those smaller cities anyway. If they did, you’d probably be able to grow much faster. Express carriers are a double-edged sword. You don’t want them, but you need them and they can be very good for you.

Don’t accept substandard wages because you think you got a scope win. Its going to be a very long wait for your next contract, and if that happens in a downturn, you’ll be stuck there for years. That’s what happened to us at Continental.
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Old 06-01-2018 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by svergin
Your “industry leading” scope is because JB is not a network carrier. JB is a point to point carrier. Same with SW. Neither airline feeds a network. You just serve cities. Massive network carriers like American, Delta, United, etc all need feed from smaller cities that mainline aircraft can’t economically fly to. JB doesn’t fly to Bismark, Minot, Grand Forks, Lubbock, El Paso, etc because it doesn’t make financial sense to do it in an A-320. So some 50 seat jet flys in there and brings those passengers to ORD, DEN, DFW, ATL, etc and mainline flies them to Europe, etc. Scope sounds like something the company had no problem agreeing to because they didn’t intend to fly to those smaller cities anyway. If they did, you’d probably be able to grow much faster. Express carriers are a double-edged sword. You don’t want them, but you need them and they can be very good for you.

Don’t accept substandard wages because you think you got a scope win. Its going to be a very long wait for your next contract, and if that happens in a downturn, you’ll be stuck there for years. That’s what happened to us at Continental.
Bingo ... In the meantime HAL today starting flying with our code from our base in a narrow body airbus.

But we have 50 seaters scoped out.

Yeah!
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