AIP.
#791
I can't control what you think. An emotional person will see emotion in everything that is said. I often use literary devices like foul language because it helps interface with some, but it's always interpreted at the end. By the way, if you read a little on psychology, you'll learn that all human decisions are emotionally based. Case in point: look at all the "men" that buy large trucks to show their manhood... errr... because they NEED to tow 50 tons of concrete from one side of their ranch to the other.
Like I keep saying, this is a business deal for me. So far, it's a horrible deal made worse by people who are far too eager to get screwed.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Like I keep saying, this is a business deal for me. So far, it's a horrible deal made worse by people who are far too eager to get screwed.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
You dont seem to grasp this concept. Blind anger for B6 and your fellows betrays your deception Q.
Who exactly do you work for?
#792
There's a reason I put the legal disclaimer on there. I don't know if you work for F&H. I don't know if you're a juicer getting kick backs on the side (e.g. like those guys that set up the ant-union FA website), or if you're part of some inside group simply opposing real improvement.
If something doesn't smell right... good. Continue to challenge what I say. I'd rather let the better ideas win rather than cloud it with positions of authority (e.g. I went to skool X, I was a chief pilot at regional Y) and membership to any group.
I'm not recruiting anyone. Ideally everyone exercises independent thought rather than outsourcing it. I simply want people to be educated on their legal options and on the false choices given by the establishment. BJ's pilot group is no match for the pilot groups of the major airlines when it comes to this. They are willing to fight to improve their workplace... BJ pilots mostly back down from everything out of being scared and/or ignorant. Look at how many times it took to get ALPA on board...
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
If something doesn't smell right... good. Continue to challenge what I say. I'd rather let the better ideas win rather than cloud it with positions of authority (e.g. I went to skool X, I was a chief pilot at regional Y) and membership to any group.
I'm not recruiting anyone. Ideally everyone exercises independent thought rather than outsourcing it. I simply want people to be educated on their legal options and on the false choices given by the establishment. BJ's pilot group is no match for the pilot groups of the major airlines when it comes to this. They are willing to fight to improve their workplace... BJ pilots mostly back down from everything out of being scared and/or ignorant. Look at how many times it took to get ALPA on board...
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Keep the insults of the pilot group comin- Most of us are waiting on the facts of the TA.
This is fun though eh Q?
#793
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Keep telling yourself that. Keep trying your futile attempts to dismiss the real world with accusations. You haven't been able to rationalize any of your points. You can continue to delude yourself but the facts are the facts.
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#794
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Actually I love the name calling that you employ. It only weakens your recruitment. You're not going to shame open minded guys into blindly voting NO.
Keep the insults of the pilot group comin- Most of us are waiting on the facts of the TA.
This is fun though eh Q?
Keep the insults of the pilot group comin- Most of us are waiting on the facts of the TA.
This is fun though eh Q?

Glad you enjoy it. Since you can't enjoy good pay AND rules, it's the little things you must have to cling to.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#795
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I’m not sure he actually works here. There have been a few posts where I went hmmmm.
Anyway he asks questions that a call to a union rep could answer.
Just a game under the guise of education.
#796
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#797
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I'm not here to help you because you're not here to help the pilot group. You seem to be more interested in immediate short term benefits and settling for a substandard AIP and short term personal gain.
Maybe you should read the AIP and then compare it to the rest of the major airlines and see how bad it really is. Why don't you push for better results from B6ALPA? I can't wait to see the final language....
The Railway Labor Act Simplified
Contracts remain in force until changed. Either party seeking to amend existing CBA’s must provide 30-day written notice as to desired changes. (Section 6 RLA). There is no time limit by which contracts must be negotiated to avoid a work stoppage. Under Section 6 of the act either side may propose changes to an existing collective bargaining agreement, but agreements (for purposes of stability and labor peace) generally contain agreed upon moratorium clauses that provide no change may be demanded on specified subjects for a prescribed period of time.
Once Section 6 notices proposing changes to an existing agreement have been served, the parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts or promulgation of changes) until all procedures of the RLA have been fully exhausted.
For major disputes over wages, benefits and working conditions, the RLA provides for a three-member National Mediation Board, appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate, with the power to mediate any dispute between carriers and their employees at the request of either party or upon the board's own motion.
There is no time limit on the mediation procedure. The NMB controls the schedule of talks and only the NMB may release the parties from mediation.
If the NMB is unable to bring about an amicable settlement of the controversy through mediation, the board is required to use its influence to induce the parties voluntarily to submit to binding arbitration. The law is specific in that arbitration is voluntary and not compulsory.
If both sides voluntarily agree to binding arbitration, an Arbitration Board of up to six members is to be established. Carriers and labor each select an equal number of arbitrators, who then select the additional member or members.
Presidential Emergency Board
If either labor or management decline voluntary arbitration, and if in the opinion of the NMB the continuance of the controversy threatens substantially to interrupt interstate commerce in any section of the nation, the NMB is required to notify the President of the United States, who may, at his discretion, create a fact-finding Presidential Emergency Board.
The parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts) for 30 days. If the president chooses not to appoint an emergency board, strikes or lockouts may occur after the 30-day cooling-off period.
Emergency boards are comprised of neutral members whose job is to make an investigation and submit to the president, within 30 days of its creation, a fact-finding report with non-binding recommendations for procedures or terms on which a dispute might be settled. During this period, the parties must maintain the status quo (a second 30-day cooling-off period).
Upon submission of the PEB report, the parties are required to maintain the status quo for an additional, or third 30-day cooling-off period (they may mutually agree to extend the period of status quo). The non-binding recommendations of the PEB are expected to carry the weight of public opinion and induce a voluntary agreement among the parties.
At this point, the RLA has run its course. If no agreement has been reached, either side becomes free to act in its own economic interests -- a work stoppage (or strike) by labor, a lockout by management, or unilateral implementation of management proposals (that generally would force a work stoppage).
However, Congress frequently imposes its own settlement. Such congressional action is not part of the RLA. The constitutional authority for Congress to impose its own settlements is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution's commerce clause.
Contracts remain in force until changed. Either party seeking to amend existing CBA’s must provide 30-day written notice as to desired changes. (Section 6 RLA). There is no time limit by which contracts must be negotiated to avoid a work stoppage. Under Section 6 of the act either side may propose changes to an existing collective bargaining agreement, but agreements (for purposes of stability and labor peace) generally contain agreed upon moratorium clauses that provide no change may be demanded on specified subjects for a prescribed period of time.
Once Section 6 notices proposing changes to an existing agreement have been served, the parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts or promulgation of changes) until all procedures of the RLA have been fully exhausted.
For major disputes over wages, benefits and working conditions, the RLA provides for a three-member National Mediation Board, appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate, with the power to mediate any dispute between carriers and their employees at the request of either party or upon the board's own motion.
There is no time limit on the mediation procedure. The NMB controls the schedule of talks and only the NMB may release the parties from mediation.
If the NMB is unable to bring about an amicable settlement of the controversy through mediation, the board is required to use its influence to induce the parties voluntarily to submit to binding arbitration. The law is specific in that arbitration is voluntary and not compulsory.
If both sides voluntarily agree to binding arbitration, an Arbitration Board of up to six members is to be established. Carriers and labor each select an equal number of arbitrators, who then select the additional member or members.
Presidential Emergency Board
If either labor or management decline voluntary arbitration, and if in the opinion of the NMB the continuance of the controversy threatens substantially to interrupt interstate commerce in any section of the nation, the NMB is required to notify the President of the United States, who may, at his discretion, create a fact-finding Presidential Emergency Board.
The parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts) for 30 days. If the president chooses not to appoint an emergency board, strikes or lockouts may occur after the 30-day cooling-off period.
Emergency boards are comprised of neutral members whose job is to make an investigation and submit to the president, within 30 days of its creation, a fact-finding report with non-binding recommendations for procedures or terms on which a dispute might be settled. During this period, the parties must maintain the status quo (a second 30-day cooling-off period).
Upon submission of the PEB report, the parties are required to maintain the status quo for an additional, or third 30-day cooling-off period (they may mutually agree to extend the period of status quo). The non-binding recommendations of the PEB are expected to carry the weight of public opinion and induce a voluntary agreement among the parties.
At this point, the RLA has run its course. If no agreement has been reached, either side becomes free to act in its own economic interests -- a work stoppage (or strike) by labor, a lockout by management, or unilateral implementation of management proposals (that generally would force a work stoppage).
However, Congress frequently imposes its own settlement. Such congressional action is not part of the RLA. The constitutional authority for Congress to impose its own settlements is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution's commerce clause.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#798
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I’ll read it as soon as you read it.
I'm not here to help you because you're not here to help the pilot group. You seem to be more interested in immediate short term benefits and settling for a substandard AIP and short term personal gain.
Maybe you should read the AIP and then compare it to the rest of the major airlines and see how bad it really is. Why don't you push for better results from B6ALPA? I can't wait to see the final language....
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Maybe you should read the AIP and then compare it to the rest of the major airlines and see how bad it really is. Why don't you push for better results from B6ALPA? I can't wait to see the final language....
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#799
We don't need to strike.
Soon, staffing will be next to impossible. Already there are no shows and training costs are up due to the turnover at the bottom. Fleet plans are on hold. Operational metrics are in the toilet. This place is hurting now and would be crying for mercy shortly no strike required.
Soon, staffing will be next to impossible. Already there are no shows and training costs are up due to the turnover at the bottom. Fleet plans are on hold. Operational metrics are in the toilet. This place is hurting now and would be crying for mercy shortly no strike required.
GP
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It must be like an endorphin shot for Q ( APC agent provocateur) each time she/he posts. Not so long ago, some members thought of him a potential MEC material. He is more Micky than Artie ... to continue film allusions.
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