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Old 05-25-2018 | 08:17 PM
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Not looking for street credit because im not from the streets. This is my country also. I bet people made those same comments about your European ancestors that came over
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Old 05-25-2018 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega el fuerte
Let me play that game then.
mainline reject wanting mainline pay but doesn’t have the courage to exercise his freedom that this country provides and take your talent elsewhere thats the true expression of a free capitalist society you need to explore your options and leave

Btw I probably have more time in the lav of bus then you have total time flying in this industry
With all that bus time, over 30 years left, and your crazy political/capitalism allusions, let me guess...you came from avianca? I suggest learning the english language a little better so you can better understand the contract you will vote on. I can't understand most of your nonsensical spanglish troll rants. If you're going to troll, at least do it so we can understand.
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Old 05-25-2018 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega el fuerte
Let me play that game then.
mainline reject wanting mainline pay but doesn’t have the courage to exercise his freedom that this country provides and take your talent elsewhere thats the true expression of a free capitalist society you need to explore your options and leave

Btw I probably have more time in the lav of bus then you have total time flying in this industry
Maybe you belong there more than in the cockpit...
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Old 05-25-2018 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega el fuerte
We need to be careful with this Marxist kind of ideology this sense of entitlement this is the kind of stuff that will destroy this great nation The fabric of this nation has always been strong corporations

we cannot destroy them by being greedy
Let me tell you that as a conservative libertarian, the last thing I could be characterized is as a Marxist. Your understanding of the political system has many gaps. It is not Marxist to fight for your market value. A doctor demands a certain wage because he goes to school for a long time, has lots of recurrent testing, and has to endure a stressful job where lots of people's lives are at stake. Does that sound familiar? You're in an extremely technical job that requires substantial education. I for one am not ashamed of that. I will not work at McDonald's wages to give my employer the benefit of my skills and education. You must understand that we also are a market force. Jet fuel, maintenance, Cabin retrofits, tires, and blue chips all have a certain market value. Should Michelin sell tires to JetBlue for one dollar just because that's all JetBlue is willing to negotiate the first time around? Michelin can't work for free and neither can we. They will not get one of the most highly trained professionals in the world for Third World wages.




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Old 05-25-2018 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega el fuerte
Let me play that game then.
mainline reject wanting mainline pay but doesn’t have the courage to exercise his freedom that this country provides and take your talent elsewhere thats the true expression of a free capitalist society you need to explore your options and leave

Btw I probably have more time in the lav of bus then you have total time flying in this industry
In a free capitalist society you have complete freedom to exert market forces. That is exactly what we aim to do.

This may come as a surprise to you but not everyone at blue jet is a reject. I guarantee you there are many people reading this who are probably significantly more qualified than you are. Maybe you have spent more time in the toilet of an Airbus but what is that say about your career progression? If you want to throw spears of that kind, I guarantee you there are many people here who could dwarf any one of your Point A to B accomplishments. But, i'm not mentioning that to put you down, I'm mentioning that because there are actually people here who want to make this a better place. Perhaps some people are waiting to go somewhere else when the time is right and for the right reasons such as better commuting, proximity to family, or secondary employment limitations. Whatever the reason is, it is not wrong for them to be exerting market forces in order to be paid like the professional pilots that they are.

So why should these type of people leave? Shouldn't someone like you leave? It doesn't seem that you really care to improve the situation. Instead, it seems you rather be surrounded by people of your level of mediocrity.

I look forward to your replies.


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Old 05-26-2018 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I wish I shared your optimism. I've seen Lucy hold the football for me way too often with this pilot group to give trying to kick it another shot.

The problem I have with this is that we've blown our greatest leverage. By the time it gets to the pilots for a vote, even if it DOES get voted down (highly unlikely), we're more than 2/3 of the way through summer and JB gets to skate into September as we try and spin back up our SOP campaign with our union leadership and overall direction in disarray.

We had the greatest amount of leverage we'll ever have with these negotiations in May...summer on the horizon. Another picket a week away. Investors downgrading JB. An ever increasingly galvanized pilot group. And we ****ed it all away.
This. All of this. By the time this vote is over our leverage probably ends until next May. Unless this union and pilot group step up the labor dispute stuff to level 15.

I would NOT be in favor of replacing the MEC or negotiating committee. More wasted time. They are all good people, they just had a ruthless opponent that was refusing to give us true industry parity.

Well, IF the vote fails the NC can go back in there with a clear mandate. New surveys, hard labor dispute media and picketing, go hard.

Even then, a small pain point for the company around the holidays and then again for spring break. Big leverage is again one YEAR from now.

We have been backed into a very difficult corner by this company, and frankly it is our fault, we LET it happen by calling a labor dispute WAY to late and by most of you individual pilots freely offering up your individual patience and good will for years because of a false belief that this company was going to offer you industry standard or market rate.

Look where we are now. I could spend the rest of my life regurgitating quotes from this group that make us all look like fools.

Now we have the history to prove we have been fools.

As beatnavy said in his great posts, this locks us into last place among our peers and I'm not sure I see a good path out of this mess. We will be suffering this contract for the next 7-8 YEARS, while in 5th/6th out of 6th place.

Maybe the language will have some unicorns and other mythical creatures in it. I'll wait to read it, but I highly doubt it.
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Old 05-26-2018 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Your trolling needs some refinement. The spelling and grammer errors give you away.
Pot, meet kettle.

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Old 05-26-2018 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
For all the folks that are going around finding out how many pilots are NO voters, that won't make a difference. Those same people are going to vote yes even though they told you no. You are going to be very surprised by how much the TA will passed.

Wait until the full language is released, there's going to be even more YES voters coming out of cargo area, landing gear, carry ons, lavs, apu exhaust, fuel cooled oil coolers, fuel tank, between rudder pedals etc....You name it, they're coming out of it. The tone of this forum is going to take a complete 180. Mark my words.

It's the Apocalypse Of Yes-men
Why exactly? What's in the full language that's so good? Frankly, I want you to be right, so let's hear the "why" bud?
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Old 05-26-2018 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Omega el fuerte
We need to be careful with this Marxist kind of ideology this sense of entitlement this is the kind of stuff that will destroy this great nation The fabric of this nation has always been strong corporations

we cannot destroy them by being greedy

Welcome to Ameeríca and congratulations on recieving a work visa!

Here is some reading to help you in the assimilation process.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States
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Old 05-26-2018 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
Pot, meet kettle.

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Gaaaah! Ya got me! Spell cgeck as truned of on mi fone.
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