AIP.
05-28-2018 | 06:04 AM
#631
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You are correct, SWA the only one who got it right...
05-28-2018 | 06:10 AM
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Cape Air has 247 pilots not aircraft. 85 C-402’s, 4 BN-2 Islanders, and 2 ATR-42’s. The ATR-42 contract was not renewed by United so I believe they’re gone or will be soon.
05-28-2018 | 07:08 AM
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05-28-2018 | 07:11 AM
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Would BJ have violated a traditional scope clause when so many of its E190's were broken that they had to subcontract with a regional?
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BJ didn't subcontract a regional. Embraer did and paid for it to be done.
BJ also pay protected it's pilots for that mess.
And if ALPA had been on property, BJ would have needed a side letter or MOU in order to break the scope for a period of time which I'm sure the union would have agreed to in that circumstance.
05-28-2018 | 08:07 AM
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BJ didn't subcontract a regional. Embraer did and paid for it to be done.
BJ also pay protected it's pilots for that mess.
And if ALPA had been on property, BJ would have needed a side letter or MOU in order to break the scope for a period of time which I'm sure the union would have agreed to in that circumstance.
BJ also pay protected it's pilots for that mess.
And if ALPA had been on property, BJ would have needed a side letter or MOU in order to break the scope for a period of time which I'm sure the union would have agreed to in that circumstance.
Yeah thank you for saving me the time.
That was a weak argument que
05-28-2018 | 12:26 PM
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I wasn't making an argument - I was asking a question because I honestly didn't know the circumstances.
My intent was to make sure the "contract" didn't have a loophole to screw us over with subcontracting, wet leases, or some other creative legal mechanism.
Game on for everything else....
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05-28-2018 | 12:29 PM
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BJ didn't subcontract a regional. Embraer did and paid for it to be done.
BJ also pay protected it's pilots for that mess.
And if ALPA had been on property, BJ would have needed a side letter or MOU in order to break the scope for a period of time which I'm sure the union would have agreed to in that circumstance.
BJ also pay protected it's pilots for that mess.
And if ALPA had been on property, BJ would have needed a side letter or MOU in order to break the scope for a period of time which I'm sure the union would have agreed to in that circumstance.
Well, I'll be on the lookout for an 'escape clause' in the legalese that allows the union (not just the MEC chairman) to vote on a course of action with a 95% majority. I was curious about how AA's union settled with AA about their vacation screwup. I don't know who decided on the resolution or even if the union members got to decide with overwhelming vote. Even a favorable to all parties resolution might still be a bad one if it sets an emergency precedent with "good enough reasons".
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05-28-2018 | 12:47 PM
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We definitely need a lecture on negotiating from the big 3. They seem to be able to command industry leading pay with slimmer margins than us.
05-28-2018 | 01:13 PM
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It would seem the likes of Alaska and Southwest are where the mediator would have kept you, and perhaps release under the auspices of higher demands were unrealistic and your negotiators saw/knew this and accepted that reality rather than push for possibility. Good luck to you guys. Delta had pre 9/11 rates to reference as what is possible, you guys have SWA.
05-28-2018 | 02:01 PM
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You can’t go into a labor dispute a day after a contract becomes amendable and negotiations open. I don’t think there’s any precedent for that, and I don’t think ALPA would take that stance. You have to at least try to negotiate in good faith, then file for mediation if that doesn’t work, then progress into a labor dispute if that doesn’t work. Full disclosure, I don’t know when we are set to open sec 6 negotiations if this passes, and/or the full term of the TA that is to be seen, but I can’t imagine ALPA wouid just go into labor dispute mode right away. And we won’t have the same leverage then as we do now.
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