AIP.
05-17-2018 | 06:26 PM
#121
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05-17-2018 | 06:29 PM
#122
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From: Airbus Capt
Working the system? WTF are you talking about? This is a blatant violation of seniority. So F-ing what if with that seniority they're able to get trips bought off. It happens at every airline. Delta voted no on their last contract the first time in part because of this very issue. Nice to see they don't eat their own like you selfish Fuk's do.
It's not all about bidding trips off. Not the senior FOs will bid more productive trips that would have gone to lower senior FOs, or they're upgrade and deny other guys an upgrade who may have wanted it earlier.
This group can be so F-ing short sighted sometimes.
It's not all about bidding trips off. Not the senior FOs will bid more productive trips that would have gone to lower senior FOs, or they're upgrade and deny other guys an upgrade who may have wanted it earlier.
This group can be so F-ing short sighted sometimes.
Now suppose I'm an FO that wants to bid overnights in my hometown bluecity, but the check airmen bid those, so they were removed from the FO bid! No overnights at home for me.
Or I want to bid Europe trips, but the check airmen like those so they were removed from the bid!
But as you said, other airlines let their FOs bid check airmen trips, it's just the cost of doing business.
This is BS.
05-17-2018 | 06:31 PM
#123
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Working the system? WTF are you talking about? This is a blatant violation of seniority. So F-ing what if with that seniority they're able to get trips bought off. It happens at every airline. Delta voted no on their last contract the first time in part because of this very issue. Nice to see they don't eat their own like you selfish Fuk's do.
It's not all about bidding trips off. Not the senior FOs will bid more productive trips that would have gone to lower senior FOs, or they're upgrade and deny other guys an upgrade who may have wanted it earlier.
This group can be so F-ing short sighted sometimes.
It's not all about bidding trips off. Not the senior FOs will bid more productive trips that would have gone to lower senior FOs, or they're upgrade and deny other guys an upgrade who may have wanted it earlier.
This group can be so F-ing short sighted sometimes.
This thing has to be judged as a whole, not on cherry-picking comparisons.
05-17-2018 | 06:44 PM
#124
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AIP.
Guess you should fly for SW.... and be as large as SW, and move traffics like SW, and generate revenue like SW, and scale ur economy like SW, and hedge fuel like SW, and recruit military pilots like SW,
Ooh and generate profits like SW.
Your E190/195 pay rate in this AIP is way more than AA offers. FWIW, captain on a flight I just got off was just comparing this AIP rates to actual American Group 1 rates & Group 2 rates (A320/321) on the CA rates, it’s basically on par & so he’s pist that APA should have requested more, and that now even JetBlue is caught up/catching up, that AAG pilots should earn more than a LCC pilots.
05-17-2018 | 06:47 PM
#125
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05-17-2018 | 06:53 PM
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United withholds for IOE, they also buy off too. Sounds like y'all show try to negoicate for 50% then, or stipulate only one trip can be pulled for each FO per month.
Also reading through this, it appears that some are referencing industry "best" and calling it "standard".
If it's the best call it the best, not a "standard".
Also reading through this, it appears that some are referencing industry "best" and calling it "standard".
If it's the best call it the best, not a "standard".
05-17-2018 | 06:56 PM
#127
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From: Airbus Capt
Guess you should fly for SW.... and be as large as SW, and move traffics like SW, and generate revenue like SW, and scale ur economy like SW, and hedge fuel like SW, and recruit military pilots like SW,
Ooh and generate profits like SW.
Your E190/195 pay rate in this AIP is way more than AA offers. FWIW, captain on a flight I just got off was just comparing this AIP rates to actual American Group 1 rates & Group 2 rates (A320/321) on the CA rates, it’s basically on par & so he’s pist that APA should have requested more, and that now even JetBlue is caught up/catching up, that AAG pilots should earn more than a LCC pilots.
Ooh and generate profits like SW.
Your E190/195 pay rate in this AIP is way more than AA offers. FWIW, captain on a flight I just got off was just comparing this AIP rates to actual American Group 1 rates & Group 2 rates (A320/321) on the CA rates, it’s basically on par & so he’s pist that APA should have requested more, and that now even JetBlue is caught up/catching up, that AAG pilots should earn more than a LCC pilots.
And.... My post was in response to someone who said our new pay was higher than SW. It's not, and that was the point of the post.
Do you have something actually useful to contribute?
05-17-2018 | 07:02 PM
#128
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From: Airbus button pusher
The company out played us here. We all know this will vote yes by a slight margin and the company basically got the cheapest contract they could get away with.
Id rather sell my pto, and pick up rsa and vda any day over this crap. Cant wait for my pay cut on the 190. Im in shock or NC agreed to this. My old jetblue lanyard is looking pretty shiny at the moment😞
Id rather sell my pto, and pick up rsa and vda any day over this crap. Cant wait for my pay cut on the 190. Im in shock or NC agreed to this. My old jetblue lanyard is looking pretty shiny at the moment😞
05-17-2018 | 07:39 PM
#129
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Congrats on the AIP from us at Frontier. Raising the bar for everybody! Side note though....If profit margins were the determining factor then Frontier and Spirit would have gotten Delta+ pay. Just saying, be happy! From a bullet point standpoint (which isn't much) you all did great
05-17-2018 | 08:12 PM
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Your E190/195 pay rate in this AIP is way more than AA offers. FWIW, captain on a flight I just got off was just comparing this AIP rates to actual American Group 1 rates & Group 2 rates (A320/321) on the CA rates, it’s basically on par & so he’s pist that APA should have requested more, and that now even JetBlue is caught up/catching up, that AAG pilots should earn more than a LCC pilots.
This will probably be my only post on the AIP seeing as how I won't be voting on it. I thought the highlights (lowlights?) were pretty bad. Of course Hyperboy likes it..... that's no surprise since he's been cheerleading for a Mesa style major. The bullet points have made me feel better about leaving for greener pastures. The grass is indeed greener on the other side. OE trips held back, PTO hour accrual, rates, profit sharing cliff.....what exactly is market rate in this?
Battered pilot syndrome will save the day for LSC.
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