AIP.
05-17-2018, 09:42 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Where is it substandard? Pay is SWA+ and better than Alaska with better scope. Our Scope-as bulleted-is industry leading. As Queue posted in the other forum, what do you need to vote yes? I'm not trying to bait you and be a dick, just trying to see what the "no voters" have to see to get their minds changed.
Profit sharing MUCH worse than SWA.
05-17-2018, 09:45 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Will wait for final language but here's what I see right now:
- Pay rates increase May 1 instead of Jan 1 which will keep us below SWA for 7 months out of the year.
- 2% increase each year of contract vs 3-4% like everyone else. So we fall further and further behind all our peers each year.
- 320 FO rate is below peer average.
- No 321 override. With all our future orders being 321s, we fall further behind our peers
- OE trips withheld. Major violation of seniority
- Current profit sharing program codified. How was your PS check compared to Delta, United, SWA, etc last year. I'm pretty sure United FA's made more in PS than most of JB pilots.
- PTO sellback at straight pay now.
- Increased PTO accrual only 2 hrs per month more. Ridiculously low since it's both the vacation and sick bank.
- Weak, WEAK signing bonus amount.
- Avg daily credit vs MIN daily/FDP credit.
Like I said before, I'll wait til I read the entire contract and attend the road shows, but first glance, there's no way anyone's going to be able to polish this turd to turn my vote into a yes.
- Pay rates increase May 1 instead of Jan 1 which will keep us below SWA for 7 months out of the year.
- 2% increase each year of contract vs 3-4% like everyone else. So we fall further and further behind all our peers each year.
- 320 FO rate is below peer average.
- No 321 override. With all our future orders being 321s, we fall further behind our peers
- OE trips withheld. Major violation of seniority
- Current profit sharing program codified. How was your PS check compared to Delta, United, SWA, etc last year. I'm pretty sure United FA's made more in PS than most of JB pilots.
- PTO sellback at straight pay now.
- Increased PTO accrual only 2 hrs per month more. Ridiculously low since it's both the vacation and sick bank.
- Weak, WEAK signing bonus amount.
- Avg daily credit vs MIN daily/FDP credit.
Like I said before, I'll wait til I read the entire contract and attend the road shows, but first glance, there's no way anyone's going to be able to polish this turd to turn my vote into a yes.
Agree with ALL. Sooo very disappointed.
05-17-2018, 09:46 AM
#63
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Marginal offer at best. I gotta read it and question pointedly.
We obviously can do better, but this is what the survey reflected.
65-35? Voted down? 80-20?
SOP---CBA. How ever long that takes guys. Good luck to us all.
We obviously can do better, but this is what the survey reflected.
65-35? Voted down? 80-20?
SOP---CBA. How ever long that takes guys. Good luck to us all.
05-17-2018, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
A320 FO pay is notably LESS than SW. Both FO and CA pay will be less than SWA in Sept, roughly 1 month after ratification.
Profit sharing MUCH worse than SWA.
Profit sharing MUCH worse than SWA.
No argument on profit sharing.
05-17-2018, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
You are right. I missed that. I'm about $4 less an hour than SWA. Still close, but I wish we were higher.
No argument on profit sharing.
No argument on profit sharing.
It's not close. And it's going to get worse each year.
It's the exact same 12 year 320FO rate Alaska has right now. Guess what their yearly increase is. Here's a hint: it's greater than 2%.
05-17-2018, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
A320 FO pay is notably LESS than SW. Both FO and CA pay will be less than SWA in Sept, roughly 1 month after ratification.
Profit sharing MUCH worse than SWA.
Profit sharing MUCH worse than SWA.
05-17-2018, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
$7 less. And that's just until September. Then the gap widens exponentially YOY from there.
It's not close. And it's going to get worse each year.
It's the exact same 12 year 320FO rate Alaska has right now. Guess what their yearly increase is. Here's a hint: it's greater than 2%.
It's not close. And it's going to get worse each year.
It's the exact same 12 year 320FO rate Alaska has right now. Guess what their yearly increase is. Here's a hint: it's greater than 2%.
Tell them you are offended that the NC brought it to a vote and are even more offended that they voted 12-0 to move forward with it.
05-17-2018, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
So call your P2P rep or the MEC and tell them that this is BS.
Tell them you are offended that the NC brought it to a vote and are even more offended that they voted 12-0 to move forward with it.
Tell them you are offended that the NC brought it to a vote and are even more offended that they voted 12-0 to move forward with it.
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