"Industry Leading Scope"
05-28-2018 | 08:04 AM
#132
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Ok, so let's discuss your point. Why do you think it's unrealistic?
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05-28-2018 | 08:10 AM
#133
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It would be more like 6 for a 20 dollar wage...
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
05-28-2018 | 08:16 AM
#134
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It would be more like 6 for a 20 dollar wage...
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
Then do it. Give away all your money via charity to those less fortunate. Or move to a communist country. But I’m not a communist, this country isn’t communist, so you can’t give away mine.
05-28-2018 | 08:16 AM
#135
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Ok, so let's discuss your point. Why do you think it's unrealistic?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Now while Ive always hammered B6 for taking from us, this negotiation has NOTHING to do with the past. It lives in the present.
I agree that the pay rates are not Deltas, the profit sharing is not SWA's and the signing bonus is not Spirit's...etc.
HOWEVER, if we wait and look at the contract as a WHOLE, it may be on par with SWA.
When you cherry pick aspects to persuade a NO vote, without having the entire story, you are in error.
What if the reserve rules are better than Delta, the pairing construction is superior to SWA and everything we have is better than Spirit or Alaska? Do you have the objectivity to be clear headed?
To expect an industry leading "everything" is naive at best and idiotic at worst Q.
I do not think you are unintelligent Q, I believe you are blindly angry and are looking for revenge and perfection; both of which are immature expectations.
And believe me, I know plenty about immaturity-ask my wife
05-28-2018 | 08:19 AM
#136
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Sorry but they don't "deserve" to make a living wage flipping burgers. If you can't advance beyond that it's your own fault for being a slacker. These same people could make three times as much doing lawn care. If he's really motivated, he can start a whole lawn care business and make more than a pilot. Ironically I'm good friends with a guy who does that and also a guy who went from being a jailed criminal to being a multimillionaire after starting a tow-truck company. Burger flipping jobs don't even require a 6th grade education level. Higher paying jobs are commensurate education, other factors, and ultimately reproducibility. McDonalds workers are so replaceable that the first machine level automation systems are replacing them (robots). And, that's only the first generation.
Jobs like that are great for high school kids to learn basic responsibility and work ethic. You're not supposed to stay at those jobs your whole life just like you're not supposed to stay in Junior High for a lifetime.
At some point these people need to learn personal responsibility. That's something you victims on the left haven't quite learned yet.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-28-2018 | 08:25 AM
#137
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It would be more like 6 for a 20 dollar wage...
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
And yes, I’d pay six so that the people who made it had a chance. It would be the right thing to do.
What percentage of wal mart employees receive help from the government? The sad thing is that Walmart makes enough profits to pay ALL their employees a living wage and still have a healthy bottom line. So does Jetblue.
Entry level work deserves entry level pay.
Skilled professionals deserve commensurate pay (higher)
05-28-2018 | 08:25 AM
#138
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Sorry but they don't "deserve" to make a living wage flipping burgers. If you can't advance beyond that it's your own fault for being a slacker. These same people could make three times as much doing lawn care. If he's really motivated, he can start a whole lawn care business and make more than a pilot. Ironically I'm good friends with a guy who does that and also a guy who went from being a jailed criminal to being a multimillionaire after starting a tow-truck company. Burger flipping jobs don't even require a 6th grade education level. Higher paying jobs are commensurate education, other factors, and ultimately reproducibility. McDonalds workers are so replaceable that the first machine level automation systems are replacing them (robots). And, that's only the first generation.
Jobs like that are great for high school kids to learn basic responsibility and work ethic. You're not supposed to stay at those jobs your whole life just like you're not supposed to stay in Junior High for a lifetime.
At some point these people need to learn personal responsibility. That's something you victims on the left haven't quite learned yet.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Jobs like that are great for high school kids to learn basic responsibility and work ethic. You're not supposed to stay at those jobs your whole life just like you're not supposed to stay in Junior High for a lifetime.
At some point these people need to learn personal responsibility. That's something you victims on the left haven't quite learned yet.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-28-2018 | 10:21 AM
#139
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Its a negotiation. You bargain. Its a give and take.
Now while Ive always hammered B6 for taking from us, this negotiation has NOTHING to do with the past. It lives in the present.
I agree that the pay rates are not Deltas, the profit sharing is not SWA's and the signing bonus is not Spirit's...etc.
HOWEVER, if we wait and look at the contract as a WHOLE, it may be on par with SWA.
When you cherry pick aspects to persuade a NO vote, without having the entire story, you are in error.
What if the reserve rules are better than Delta, the pairing construction is superior to SWA and everything we have is better than Spirit or Alaska? Do you have the objectivity to be clear headed?
To expect an industry leading "everything" is naive at best and idiotic at worst Q.
I do not think you are unintelligent Q, I believe you are blindly angry and are looking for revenge and perfection; both of which are immature expectations.
And believe me, I know plenty about immaturity-ask my wife
Now while Ive always hammered B6 for taking from us, this negotiation has NOTHING to do with the past. It lives in the present.
I agree that the pay rates are not Deltas, the profit sharing is not SWA's and the signing bonus is not Spirit's...etc.
HOWEVER, if we wait and look at the contract as a WHOLE, it may be on par with SWA.
When you cherry pick aspects to persuade a NO vote, without having the entire story, you are in error.
What if the reserve rules are better than Delta, the pairing construction is superior to SWA and everything we have is better than Spirit or Alaska? Do you have the objectivity to be clear headed?
To expect an industry leading "everything" is naive at best and idiotic at worst Q.
I do not think you are unintelligent Q, I believe you are blindly angry and are looking for revenge and perfection; both of which are immature expectations.
And believe me, I know plenty about immaturity-ask my wife
05-28-2018 | 10:57 AM
#140
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From: B6
Hyperboy, you can accuse people all day. No one cares about you, least of all me. Read those words carefully.... I'm refer to you as a personality.
I care about ideas. Instead of making personal attacks which accomplish nothing, perhaps you should debate things in the marketplace of ideas. You are acting exactly like a leftist liberal that cries racism instead of talking the issues with logical context. Real life is letting the better ideas win, not just crying wolf saying everyone is in fantasy land. Your recent posts are only indicative of someone who can't offer logical arguments.
You've yet to explain to me how the final language will fix the substandard rates (Alaska+1) in the AIP bulletpoints.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
I care about ideas. Instead of making personal attacks which accomplish nothing, perhaps you should debate things in the marketplace of ideas. You are acting exactly like a leftist liberal that cries racism instead of talking the issues with logical context. Real life is letting the better ideas win, not just crying wolf saying everyone is in fantasy land. Your recent posts are only indicative of someone who can't offer logical arguments.
You've yet to explain to me how the final language will fix the substandard rates (Alaska+1) in the AIP bulletpoints.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
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