Hyperboy, you can accuse people all day. No one cares about you, least of all me. Read those words carefully.... I'm refer to you as a personality.


I care about ideas. Instead of making personal attacks which accomplish nothing, perhaps you should debate things in the marketplace of ideas. You are acting exactly like a leftist liberal that cries racism instead of talking the issues with logical context. Real life is letting the better ideas win, not just crying wolf saying everyone is in fantasy land. Your recent posts are only indicative of someone who can't offer logical arguments.


You've yet to explain to me how the final language will fix the substandard rates (Alaska+1) in the AIP bulletpoints.



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Obsessing over rates is a true regional mindset Q.
Let us know what your demands are again..

 

You're putting words into my mouth. I will say it again, I want A and B. Perhaps if you read my posts you would see that I won't accept Pay over Rules or Rules over Pay. I will only accept Pay and Rules.


I won't accept any false assumptions why we can't have both.





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Yes! That's what it is and that's why he won't answer your question!

 

Yes, in "real life" you are a F### show.

 

So you want it all? I think that's great, albeit unrealistic.
You should definitely run for an MEC position or lobby to be a negotiator after we vote no on this TA or start the process for the next one.
Good luck Q. You may be perfect for it.

 

I may be wrong but you seem to say that unless pay and work rules are industry leading you are a no.

That I see as a false choice.

There is a scenario where you could make 20 bucks less in pay rates than Delta but have work rules that end up making you more money. It just happened to me where they changed my sked and I got done outside my foot print. It’s a nice chunk of cash for just getting done a bit later.

You could also get paid the highest and have work rules, lack of cx pay or half DH pay that would have you making less than someone with a lower published rate.

I think that is where we keep hitting a wall. Nobody knows the real value of the pay rates until we see all of the language.


Or we could go for industry leading in everything but name one CBA that is leading in everything. Just seems unrealistic. We can go for that but it certainly isn’t the norm.

 

You’re exactly right, but when it comes down to a measuring contest, hourly rates are the easiest thing to tie our ego to. If the QOL/W2 items aren’t there, no biggie, we can complain about that amongst ourselves (who doesn’t love having more stuff to complain about!), but rates are what the other guys walking around the terminal in white shirts will know about.

 

No, I was mocking someone for saying the someone who makes hamburgers should only be an entry level wage, and that they didn’t deserve to make enough to make a living with out working 3 jobs.


QUOTE=queue;2603829]Did you make a typographic error or do you really want to trade your professional price point for a passenger cost discount?


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Making hamburgers should be an entry level job only.
Are you okay with a 20/hr min wage and pay 15 for a Big Mac?
Thats the economic choice you're arguing, and its not feasible.