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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:05 AM
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My prediction is we announce the fleet review decision at farnborough mid July...maybe before depending on when voting opens. Or perhaps the fleet review details “leak” before or during voting before the official announcement. Lots of 190 guys are not having the AIP’d 190 rates. JetBlue announce a c series order...suddenly 190 guys see the low rates as temporary until they become higher paid c series guys (still low, just not as low). I think that is the strategy to sway the vote when it counts. If there’s an E195E2 announcement, which would indefinitely keep us on these terrible E rates, that may not do well for the company and this vote. I’ll throw an extra bet down and wager the airplane order will be tied to ratification. Right out of F&H’s playbook.

Really or.
We get a large C Oder and start to replace the old 320s and the 190.
The C could be good for 190 guys but bad for bus guys.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
My prediction is we announce the fleet review decision at farnborough mid July...maybe before depending on when voting opens. Or perhaps the fleet review details “leak” before or during voting before the official announcement. Lots of 190 guys are not having the AIP’d 190 rates. JetBlue announce a c series order...suddenly 190 guys see the low rates as temporary until they become higher paid c series guys (still low, just not as low). I think that is the strategy to sway the vote when it counts. If there’s an E195E2 announcement, which would indefinitely keep us on these terrible E rates, that may not do well for the company and this vote. I’ll throw an extra bet down and wager the airplane order will be tied to ratification. Right out of F&H’s playbook.
Most other pilot groups are bribed with widebody orders. How "jetblue" to bribe us with a glorified RJ.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Most other pilot groups are bribed with widebody orders. How "jetblue" to bribe us with a glorified RJ.
Because we are very "special". History has now proven that.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Really or.
We get a large C Oder and start to replace the old 320s and the 190.
The C could be good for 190 guys but bad for bus guys.
Also very true.

If fleet review isn't revealed before the vote, I'm not sure how anyone can't assume the worst.

#wheresthefleetreview
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:14 AM
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But it's probably gonna be announced in July at Farnborough.

But, if it's not, DON'T WORRY. It will be announced at the Paris Show in 2019.

Good things are coming guys!
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
But it's probably gonna be announced in July at Farnborough.

But, if it's not, DON'T WORRY. It will be announced at the Paris Show in 2019.

Good things are coming guys!
A C series order isn't necessarily a good thing. They could order 40 to replace our 60 E190s. Or they order 60 C series, to replace 60 E190s and 30 A320s.

I don't care. FUPM. I just fly the dang things, and I need a contract that compensates me appropriately, in both seats, in both fleets. Who knows where I'll get stuck when the music stops.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
A C series order isn't necessarily a good thing. They could order 40 to replace our 60 E190s. Or they order 60 C series, to replace 60 E190s and 30 A320s.

I don't care. FUPM. I just fly the dang things, and I need a contract that compensates me appropriately, in both seats, in both fleets. Who knows where I'll get stuck when the music stops.
No argument. But 60 C's is better than 60 E2s, all else being equal. Better plane, better cockpit (E killed my back until I got off that thing) and better pay rates.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Also very true.

If fleet review isn't revealed before the vote, I'm not sure how anyone can't assume the worst.

#wheresthefleetreview

Yup. I absolutely see the scenario where do away with the 190 and the old 320s. Order a mix of C 100/300s
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Old 05-29-2018 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Yup. I absolutely see the scenario where do away with the 190 and the old 320s. Order a mix of C 100/300s
Don't forget the CS500.
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Old 05-29-2018 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Don't forget the CS500.
That as well. I still think we become a 321/C airline.
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