Why I'm voting Yes
07-13-2018 | 10:53 AM
#171
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For you, it's an improvement. I lose money and days off with this TA. It's concessionary. Period, dot.
I'm glad there were many fixes, particularly with some of the pairing constructions and daily credit which helps the junior guys more. I never expected a pay raise out of this, mainly because of the PTOSB. I was fine with that. What I didn't expect was to take a substantial pay cut and have to work 2-3 more days a month.
Add on top of that vacation alllotment, no UTS, PS cliff, bottom of peer pay rates, COLA, should I go on? This is a bottom of the barrel TA which will keep us trailing our peers for the next 5-7 years. And when we got to mediation next time, the mediator is going to say, "Hey, you guys accepted bottom last time, guess where I expect you to accept this time?" Precedence will have been set.
My only hope to finish my career at a real airline with a pilot group that fights for its worth is to hope like hell we merge.
I'm glad there were many fixes, particularly with some of the pairing constructions and daily credit which helps the junior guys more. I never expected a pay raise out of this, mainly because of the PTOSB. I was fine with that. What I didn't expect was to take a substantial pay cut and have to work 2-3 more days a month.
Add on top of that vacation alllotment, no UTS, PS cliff, bottom of peer pay rates, COLA, should I go on? This is a bottom of the barrel TA which will keep us trailing our peers for the next 5-7 years. And when we got to mediation next time, the mediator is going to say, "Hey, you guys accepted bottom last time, guess where I expect you to accept this time?" Precedence will have been set.
My only hope to finish my career at a real airline with a pilot group that fights for its worth is to hope like hell we merge.
All that aside, VOTE NO!
We can do better.
07-13-2018 | 10:54 AM
#172
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07-13-2018 | 10:57 AM
#173
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Many, but not all. Send Russ Pomarico an email and ask him about it (M&A Chairman). He'll give you a little more background (as much as he can) as to what protections we currently have and where they come from.
I think we're getting in the weeds a bit. Is our protection better with the TA? Yes, but we are not without protection now. I think we can agree on that.
07-13-2018 | 11:02 AM
#174
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I hate to pick on you, sir, but you have to at least try and make a cogent argument. You are correct with the UTS, PS and COLA. We will always trail our peers because we negotiate for today and our cycle will always be behind. As far as "precedent" with a mediator there is no such thing and any suggestion is ludicrous.
All that aside, VOTE NO!
We can do better.
All that aside, VOTE NO!
We can do better.
So you agree that we will always trail our peers because of this TA though, right? When I say precedent, my point is that we will have to convince a mediator why we shouldn't ask for our current slot next time as well and why it will be incrementally more difficult to as for a near-Legacy contract. I'm not talking precedent in the legal term, or something that an arbitrator would use for legal decision making. I only use that term in reference to where we are slotting ourselves, and most likely for future negotiations.
07-13-2018 | 11:07 AM
#175
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
We have some merger protection in our PEA right now, especially if it's with another ALPA carrier, but I guess it's better to be scared of the boogie man and hurry up and sign a sub par TA just in case we get bought/oil hits $150 a barrel/economy tanks/etc etc.
There's nothing in this TA that I can look at and say that affects me in a positive way either $, QOL, or just peace of mind. I'd rather live under the PEA for another 1 or 2 than accept this POS for the next 5-7.
There's nothing in this TA that I can look at and say that affects me in a positive way either $, QOL, or just peace of mind. I'd rather live under the PEA for another 1 or 2 than accept this POS for the next 5-7.
Rather live under the PEA.
I’m done, good luck bunker.
07-13-2018 | 06:53 PM
#179
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From: fifi whisperer
You and I are still besties (even though we voted differently).
POG and Queue aren't happy with me. POG called our pilot group wannabe scabs. So no, we aren’t besties at the moment.
Maybe we can all hash our differences on Dr. Phil after all?
P.S. up until this vote and POG's comment, we both had nearly identical views. Pro union, wear the lanyard, hold the line, etc. Hope we can get back to that and have beers.
POG and Queue aren't happy with me. POG called our pilot group wannabe scabs. So no, we aren’t besties at the moment.
Maybe we can all hash our differences on Dr. Phil after all?
P.S. up until this vote and POG's comment, we both had nearly identical views. Pro union, wear the lanyard, hold the line, etc. Hope we can get back to that and have beers.
07-13-2018 | 08:19 PM
#180
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You and I are still besties (even though we voted differently).
POG and Queue aren't happy with me. POG called our pilot group wannabe scabs. So no, we aren’t besties at the moment.
Maybe we can all hash our differences on Dr. Phil after all?
P.S. up until this vote and POG's comment, we both had nearly identical views. Pro union, wear the lanyard, hold the line, etc. Hope we can get back to that and have beers.
POG and Queue aren't happy with me. POG called our pilot group wannabe scabs. So no, we aren’t besties at the moment.
Maybe we can all hash our differences on Dr. Phil after all?
P.S. up until this vote and POG's comment, we both had nearly identical views. Pro union, wear the lanyard, hold the line, etc. Hope we can get back to that and have beers.
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