I think it will pass 70/30.

 

Well it’s funny because if those guys would have just shut up and agreed to something in the early days of the merger with A west and Us Air. Their contract would resemble that of Delta’s right now. Instead they fought and fought and gave millions to Parker. Same thing here if this thing falls through. While I think this TA should have never been sent to the pilot group with the amount of slack and loopholes that it gives to the company, at this point in the game, voting it down would be dumb. Our labor dispute is dead and summer is almost over. Expecting them to come back with substantial gains before next summer would be completely unrealistic.

 

I hope not...those guys are some strange cats.

 

Pretty much. It’s so stupid.

 

After the 27th things will begin to improve within the group notably. Not everyone, but it will get much better over time.

 

I don’t share your optimistic appraisal of the situation (name that movie)

As I said in an another post this is just another bona fides for some of our loudmouths to cling to. I’m a bus pilot I’m in a rebel base I voted no. You see it on bluepilots. No doubt all airlines have this issue but the company will dork up implantation and they will be there to say SEE I TOLD YOU. Kind of like what you do

I don’t know I just don’t see it getting better. I wish the LGB guys would have just voted yes and explained it like the Boston guys did that the timeline sucked but the TA was solid. Now we have a split group among the LEC.

Maybe I’m just feeling pessimistic today. What would help is if this contract does what the union says it will about QOL but those (no)dudes will still be ****ed and continue dealing in hypotheticals.

 

Or maybe the BOS guys should have voted no and sent the thing back.


I'm not optimistic either. If this thing passes 70-30, the healing will be quicker...if it's 50s to 40s, I think the frustration and divide goes on a lot longer....

 

I wish that they had. In the best negotiating environment in years, we shouldn’t be taking concessions.

 

It's pretty clear that there will be a few generations that will be misplaced. That is the inevitable consequence of the leftist-ideology that has plagued this country since the 1950s and 1960s. Like the flu, things will have to get worse before they get better. It will take generations for cultures to evolve past needing to be dependent on centralized government. We have to re-engineer schools so they are useful and relevant again. We need to redo government so that it's more accountable to local control (smaller federal government). We need to stop with handouts and other social welfare systems because it only gives us San Francisco with poop & needles and the miles long Skid Row of L.A... and Detroit the warzone... oh and NYC... which is all of the aforementioned. People need to learn to think on their own rather than letting political party controlled media networks do the thinking for them. We even need a monetary system like Bitcoin with a Blockchain like system that prevents governments and private companies (e.g. the Federal Reserve) from creating inflation from printing money out of thin air. That's the only real way to fix things. People will suffer. But, that's the price of people's complacency from their 1st world lives. Sadly I don't think we're going to get a system overnight that is just and fair. Incidentally, I agree with Trump's trade war because it's leveling the playing field for these people who have failed businesses. It's not fair that we pay an extra 30-40% to sell in other countries while they enjoy no or little tariffs selling in the USA. Likewise, I agree with him that we shouldn't be subsidizing Europe's defense while they get rich being in bed with Russia in trade for an oil pipeline. Make them pay their fair share for NATO so that money can come back here.



But, no one is *entitled* to health care. It's not a right. It's a service and you can't force it from anyone. Sadly life isn't fair. I work in animal rescue and I get to see the worst that humanity inflicts on the truly innocent. I wish it weren't so. But, I don't exist in order to make up for the injustices of the universe. If people have low wage jobs, they can change it. Go back 100-200 years and even people now without healthcare still get it a million times better than even the wealthy had back then. That's human progress from the capitalistic system of economy we have coupled with the freedom loving Constitutional republic we have. It allows that one guy who had the special magic to discover, invent, and market something that makes the world a better place. It isn't perfect but it certainly is the best system ever devised in the history of human existence. No where in there did I ever agree to subsidize someone else's subsistence by force of law.



About getting savings to start a company... it doesn't take much to start a company. This is something I know A LOT about since I own a few. You can literally go from off the street to being a millionaire. It just depends on whether you have the business sense to find a niche to fill. It depends on your individual discipline, desire, creativity, brains, and motivation. I have a personal acquaintance who went from jail to be a millionaire by starting a wrecker company. He couldn't get high powered jobs like you and me, and he didn't have the education, so he worked construction jobs as a laborer. He saved pennies enough to buy a wrecker and got his construction friends to work for him. He now owns about 20 wreckers and makes millions every year. Similarly, I used to date a really hot girl who never went to college, grew up as a Mennonite. She worked with a smart guy who set up a website to sell things and she grew the business from a small, obscure online store into a really big one. She too is a multi-millionaire now. Obviously not everyone succeeds, but it's no one's fault but their own if they don't. They're not victims... no one is out there ensuring the vast majority of people can't succeed. Most people fail because of their own defeatist attitudes (e.g. like BJ pilots who accept a bad contract because they don't know any better).



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It's also a great opportunity to finally breed a culture of professionalism in the BJ pilot group. We could eliminate the Regional Mentality. Change is not always bad.



The only real risk is posed from a bad contract - like what American has.



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