And the MCO guys and 2 JFK guys and a FLL guy.

 

Well the company would dork that up as well. I wonder if it’s coverd under insurance?

Stupid autocorrect or stupid writer


Let’s hope so but like f16 said it needs to be a big win.

 

You can't look at only one thing, ignoring the rest, and say it's concessionary. If all things remained equal, and your pay remained flat, I would agree. But instead you get scope, dramatically improved work rules, etc. Yes, you're losing PTO sellback. But that's not the only thing in the CBA. On the whole it's a big improvement, which is why it's going to pass by 65-70%.

 

Ive spent the last two weeks reading the damn thing looking for some hidden gem. If my pay is going down by 10,000 dollars a year, what do you think its worth? Theres no work rule that will convince me that its worth that. The bus guys get a much bigger raise to make up for it but I do not. I will end up commuting again next year back on the bus if this thing passes. For the last two years I have spent mostly on reserve enjoying life and my kids know who I am. Now we are even losing EPS pay on reserve and thats sure to cost me too.

And don't tell me the vacation rules are worth it. Do we need more vacation allotment at times of the year when it pays to take vacation? Absolutely! Do we need scope? Absofreakinglutely. But I survived our crappy first year pay (the one thing in this contract that I do believe that they got 100 percent right) and I am finally in a position where I can really make some dough... and now I get to go backwards!

Oh, and we have taken 3-4 mini vacations each year for the last two years.

 

Yep. Them too.


I've always said if the MEC wrapped up the PEA in the form of a TA that 35-40% of this pilot group would have still voted for it. I had always hoped that we had 2 layers to protect us from ourselves--that the NC would never bring us a substandard AIP and if they did, the MEC would never let it get to the pilot group.


Fail. Fail.

 

For you, it's an improvement. I lose money and days off with this TA. It's concessionary. Period, dot.


I'm glad there were many fixes, particularly with some of the pairing constructions and daily credit which helps the junior guys more. I never expected a pay raise out of this, mainly because of the PTOSB. I was fine with that. What I didn't expect was to take a substantial pay cut and have to work 2-3 more days a month.


Add on top of that vacation alllotment, no UTS, PS cliff, bottom of peer pay rates, COLA, should I go on? This is a bottom of the barrel TA which will keep us trailing our peers for the next 5-7 years. And when we got to mediation next time, the mediator is going to say, "Hey, you guys accepted bottom last time, guess where I expect you to accept this time?" Precedence will have been set.


My only hope to finish my career at a real airline with a pilot group that fights for its worth is to hope like hell we merge.

 

OMG! If I hear that crap from one more guy.... “but it’s an improvement to what we have now”..... well no sh!t! It is suppose to be an improvement, doesn’t mean you have to vote yes just because it is better than the crap PEA and FSM we worked under for so long.

This is the most pathetic pilot group I have ever worked with!

 

I sell back PTO, so for be it's flat in terms of pay. But for the same pay I can now call in sick, and get a vacation. The work rules have improved elsewhere also. Plus, we have scope now. So it's a net improvement, and enough of one to justify my yes vote.

The PTO sellback people are in the minority (myself included). If I want to monetize my vacation, I can do so by flying over it.

 

It isn't pathetic to think differently than you do. You can vote no. That's your right, and I don't think you are pathetic for doing so. Try giving your fellow pilots the same respect.

 

Reference please.