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Old 07-12-2018 | 07:38 AM
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.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....
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Old 07-12-2018 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....
United and contractually behind our peers. 😜
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Old 07-12-2018 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....
.......#metoo
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Old 07-12-2018 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
I dont recall advising anyone on their vote, but operate as you will BD.
I am funny, I know. Thanks for that.

Bozo blocks people because he is so opinionated and he can't get a grip when people oppose him.



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Old 07-12-2018 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Yep, millions start a new business... What's the statistical success rate of a new business?

Whats the safety net you propose that will help with housing and food for their family for the very high percentage of start-ups that fail after they sink their life savings into their "swing for the fences"?

In our healthcare system, how is a new business startup going to provide/fund healthcare for his/her family on the individual market during the very lean start-up years?

Sorry, we are all entitled to our "opinion". But I think it's obvious that the majority of jobs available are not "good" jobs, no matter how educated the average American is and starting your own "start-up" is not a practical solution for the masses for a multitude of reasons.

Possible yes, practical for the masses, nope.

Right now, there's many service sector jobs that are not designed or meant to support a family. In fact, few jobs can even if there's modestly paying jobs. The equation behind this is quite complex:
  • Generation-ization of defeatism. entire cultures now exist in the USA (not limited to the skin color argument) where self-education, hard work, and morality are no longer cultural values. The result: even if you want to break out of that culture, everyone else in it will work overtime to drag you down.
  • Safety net. Why do you pre-suppose that I support a social safety net? To me, safety-nets ARE the problem. Without the incentive to survival, people don't help themselves. Safety nets steal from you to subsidize others, largely without accountability and always through force. I prefer a system of charity where I can *choose* whom I support via a temporary support system, provided they prove themselves to me, not some low-performance government servant.
  • Start ups. Again, if people lose *all* their money, they were being irresponsible. Why don't they diversify and get enough life support funding instead of just being reckless? There are plenty of investors who are willing to fund startups provided they aren't selling igloos to Eskimos. I have some knowledge of this firsthand so I can tell you that there are many people who take unacceptable risks fully knowing it... they are counting on a quick dollar. Nothing in life is free. Get rich quick schemes are usually frauds. Hard work is the only reliable way to support yourself. Note: often the founders of startups are the hard workers, but they have been ill-served by the educational system that doesn't teach them much.
  • Educational system. It's designed to make you subservient to authority, not to be independent. After school, the system is designed to make you dependent in every aspect of your life -- socialism. That's why you have leftists, Bernie-sandonistas, social justice warriors, ANTIFA, Democrats, communists, and so on... they all breed a culture of victimization and self-entitlement. None of them do anything to better society, they merely leech from it. Look at how useless college is now, with the exception of STEM degrees. A degree in feminism or SJW will not get you a job or give you the knowledge and attitude you need to find a problem to solve then start a business.
  • Health care. Again you presume you are entitled to someone else's work. That is slavery. A doctor is not obligated to treat you unless you pay them for their work. Likewise, I'm not obligated to be indentured to subsidize someone else's life. They need to learn to be self-sufficient. Make healthy choices --- don't smoke, don't drink (BJ pilots), don't have chemical dependencies, exercise, don't engage in risky behaviors (BJ pilots who have affairs in SDQ), don't hang around people who will bring your health down (e.g. dopers, crackheads, connoisseurs of mary jane).
    • Also, we need to re-engineer healthcare. Right now it's artificially shaped by the collusion of social safety nets, corporations, and government. Let the free market dictate things. You know, there was a time when medical costs were as low as your co-pays. A lot of people don't know that. Do you know why your pharmaceuticals are so high? Because you are subsidizing pills for people in other countries. Look it up sometime.
  • I could go on but suffice it to say that many problems in this country are self-made through culture, values, and lack of unintelligent political influence. We love socialism but we don't acknowledge the cost of it. If we continue to subscribe to belief systems that breed victim-hood, defeatism, social justice, and self-entitlement, there can never be progress.
In many ways it's just like the self-made, self-fulfilling prophecy of the BJ pilot. We always complain about wanting better conditions/pay yet we shoot ourselves in the face every single time with bad decisions:
  • Company takes away pay, profit sharing, medical.... a PEA gets put in place. Pilots don't bother to educate themselves on contracts and so they buy off on a smoke & mirrors PEA that ends in Arbitration (a bad word!).
  • BJ shafts pilots in pay. The "grievance" process takes months and months.
  • Administrative law judge says we win, but we really don't because we got nothing, or practically nothing. BJ wins.
  • Reason for failure: the pilot group took the first available option which was nothing more than engineered controlled opposition, just like TA 1.0 (cost-neutral, behind peers, extremely poor legal language, full of loopholes put in by BJ, many unknowns all dictated by pairing construction which we don't control).
  • So like all these unemployed people compared to the BJ pilot group, who is to blame? BJ, Trump, or *ourselves*?






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Old 07-12-2018 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
.......#metoo

BD, I almost forgot to mention a personal hero of mine... Mike Rowe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rowe


Please look at some of his network news interviews. He's a working class hero, particularly in his TV shows that teach us about personal responsibility, hard work, humility, and what the American worker can do for an honorable living. Contrast what you see there to many of the socialism ills of our society.





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Old 07-12-2018 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....

Can't tell if this is a play on words or just plain sarcasm. Either way, well played.
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Old 07-12-2018 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
Right now, there's many service sector jobs that are not designed or meant to support a family. In fact, few jobs can even if there's modestly paying jobs. The equation behind this is quite complex:
  • Generation-ization of defeatism. entire cultures now exist in the USA (not limited to the skin color argument) where self-education, hard work, and morality are no longer cultural values. The result: even if you want to break out of that culture, everyone else in it will work overtime to drag you down.
  • Safety net. Why do you pre-suppose that I support a social safety net? To me, safety-nets ARE the problem. Without the incentive to survival, people don't help themselves. Safety nets steal from you to subsidize others, largely without accountability and always through force. I prefer a system of charity where I can *choose* whom I support via a temporary support system, provided they prove themselves to me, not some low-performance government servant.
  • Start ups. Again, if people lose *all* their money, they were being irresponsible. Why don't they diversify and get enough life support funding instead of just being reckless? There are plenty of investors who are willing to fund startups provided they aren't selling igloos to Eskimos. I have some knowledge of this firsthand so I can tell you that there are many people who take unacceptable risks fully knowing it... they are counting on a quick dollar. Nothing in life is free. Get rich quick schemes are usually frauds. Hard work is the only reliable way to support yourself. Note: often the founders of startups are the hard workers, but they have been ill-served by the educational system that doesn't teach them much.
  • Educational system. It's designed to make you subservient to authority, not to be independent. After school, the system is designed to make you dependent in every aspect of your life -- socialism. That's why you have leftists, Bernie-sandonistas, social justice warriors, ANTIFA, Democrats, communists, and so on... they all breed a culture of victimization and self-entitlement. None of them do anything to better society, they merely leech from it. Look at how useless college is now, with the exception of STEM degrees. A degree in feminism or SJW will not get you a job or give you the knowledge and attitude you need to find a problem to solve then start a business.
  • Health care. Again you presume you are entitled to someone else's work. That is slavery. A doctor is not obligated to treat you unless you pay them for their work. Likewise, I'm not obligated to be indentured to subsidize someone else's life. They need to learn to be self-sufficient. Make healthy choices --- don't smoke, don't drink (BJ pilots), don't have chemical dependencies, exercise, don't engage in risky behaviors (BJ pilots who have affairs in SDQ), don't hang around people who will bring your health down (e.g. dopers, crackheads, connoisseurs of mary jane).
    • Also, we need to re-engineer healthcare. Right now it's artificially shaped by the collusion of social safety nets, corporations, and government. Let the free market dictate things. You know, there was a time when medical costs were as low as your co-pays. A lot of people don't know that. Do you know why your pharmaceuticals are so high? Because you are subsidizing pills for people in other countries. Look it up sometime.
  • I could go on but suffice it to say that many problems in this country are self-made through culture, values, and lack of unintelligent political influence. We love socialism but we don't acknowledge the cost of it. If we continue to subscribe to belief systems that breed victim-hood, defeatism, social justice, and self-entitlement, there can never be progress.
In many ways it's just like the self-made, self-fulfilling prophecy of the BJ pilot. We always complain about wanting better conditions/pay yet we shoot ourselves in the face every single time with bad decisions:
  • Company takes away pay, profit sharing, medical.... a PEA gets put in place. Pilots don't bother to educate themselves on contracts and so they buy off on a smoke & mirrors PEA that ends in Arbitration (a bad word!).
  • BJ shafts pilots in pay. The "grievance" process takes months and months.
  • Administrative law judge says we win, but we really don't because we got nothing, or practically nothing. BJ wins.
  • Reason for failure: the pilot group took the first available option which was nothing more than engineered controlled opposition, just like TA 1.0 (cost-neutral, behind peers, extremely poor legal language, full of loopholes put in by BJ, many unknowns all dictated by pairing construction which we don't control).
  • So like all these unemployed people compared to the BJ pilot group, who is to blame? BJ, Trump, or *ourselves*?






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I might read the rest when I have a few hours to kill...

Lots of ideological stuff, but practically speaking misses the previous conversation.

For instance, you say they should not lose all their money on a start-up and should have lots of cash saved up before going out on their own... Ok, but we were talking about how most available jobs are very low wage jobs. So, how is someone supposed to get a job that supports their life AND allows for significant savings to be amassed to have a good individual safety net prior to starting their own company? And I might have missed it, but what is the average success rate of a new business again?

Healthcare, you can make your ideological argument about slavery all you want, but for most it's an expensive necessity and now you are saying the solution to our over abundance of low paying jobs (and proportional scarcity of good paying jobs) for the masses is to get an available low paying job, and while supporting your current life needs, amass a very large safety net of money to support your new company through the lean years (assuming it doesn't fail, which statistically, it probably will) while showing your rugged individualism by funding your family healthcare. All from an existing available low wage job.

Yep, that should work for the masses, can't see any way for that plan to go wrong.

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Old 07-12-2018 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
BD, I almost forgot to mention a personal hero of mine... Mike Rowe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rowe


Please look at some of his network news interviews. He's a working class hero, particularly in his TV shows that teach us about personal responsibility, hard work, humility, and what the American worker can do for an honorable living. Contrast what you see there to many of the socialism ills of our society.





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No argument, he's an impressive man.
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Old 07-12-2018 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....
At the rate things are going, we're on track to resemble the American pilot group.
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