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Old 07-02-2018 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Hey!

Wow, all that sounds scary. Knowing the future must be quite a burden.

I will vote yes as well if you can answer one question for me.

When will we ever have this much leverage again? Will the company still need a new fleet plan after the great atomic war/robot takeover?
You gonna back my family financially if things go south in your scenario? Thought so I like gambling...alot!....not that much!
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Old 07-02-2018 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
Trump’s trade war policies are going to push us into a recession and this will be the best deal we will see for quite a while.
What if you're wrong.

What if we are entering a period of economic prosperity that we have not seen for literally decades.

Because that's what I believe, and that's why I'm voting no.

Mark your calendar for this time next year. By that time the economic expansion will be obvious and undeniable, and this pilot group will be kicking itself for ratifying a substandard Agreement.

Turn off the TV and look around you. This period of time is unprecedented. It won't occur again. Recognize the opportunities and grab them with both hands.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Hey!

Wow, all that sounds scary. Knowing the future must be quite a burden.

I will vote yes as well if you can answer one question for me.

When will we ever have this much leverage again? Will the company still need a new fleet plan after the great atomic war/robot takeover?

You're wasting your time, POG. There are too many chicken sh1t pilots in this group to stand up for what they deserve. They're just happy to be here, and are in a hurry to get something to vote Yes on so they can move on from this scary process.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
You're wasting your time, POG. There are too many chicken sh1t pilots in this group to stand up for what they deserve. They're just happy to be here, and are in a hurry to get something to vote Yes on so they can move on from this scary process.
So much smarter and knows whats best for us all huh?
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:09 AM
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There are already thousands of Americans who have lost, or whom are losing their jobs and businesses because of his moronic isolation.

Hoovernomics did not work in the 20s and they won't work now. Sooner or later, its all gonna crumble.

Im already paying more in taxes, and now Im gonna take a pay cut with this contract...but I probably will vote yes because of scope and because this economy will not continue in the direction it is in. In fact, the stock market has NOT improved since the tax cuts. There really is no logical explanation as to why the stock market did so well after the election other than they were happy that none of the rules would be enforced.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:15 AM
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So much smarter and knows whats best for us all huh?

What I know Hyper is that there are too many "Just happy to be here", "It's better than what we had/where I came from", "Gee, what happens if the economy collapses" cowards at this company for there to have enough unity for us to stick together to get a deal we really deserve.


The company knows this. They know they can offer a below average contract to this pilot group and a majority will gobble it up like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
What I know Hyper is that there are too many "Just happy to be here", "It's better than what we had/where I came from", "Gee, what happens if the economy collapses" cowards at this company for there to have enough unity for us to stick together to get a deal we really deserve.


The company knows this. They know they can offer a below average contract to this pilot group and a majority will gobble it up like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
The company knows this because almost every RSA was answered. The "other" jobs still got done. SOP was not followed and safety was not a top priority.

If you were doing as our union had asked we could have had more leverage. If you did any of those things above since Jan. 1st. you were working against this contract and have no room to complain about whats in it. Vote yes or no, but every mess cleaned up by a pilot was less and less leverage earned. Don't cry to me about it needs to be better when you were pulling for the other team to your own benefit.

Not directed at you Bunker, just in general.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
The company knows this because almost every RSA was answered. The "other" jobs still got done. SOP was not followed and safety was not a top priority.

If you were doing as our union had asked we could have had more leverage. If you did any of those things above since Jan. 1st. you were working against this contract and have no room to complain about whats in it. Vote yes or no, but every mess cleaned up by a pilot was less and less leverage earned. Don't cry to me about it needs to be better when you were pulling for the other team to your own benefit.

Not directed at you Bunker, just in general.

Not taking it personally I know what you meant. I think towards the end, just before we agreed to the AIP, we were headed in that exact direction. We're never going to get 100% compliance, but we had enough where it was making an impact. Plus we were headed into the busiest part of the year where our SOP flying would have crippled this company. We had the upper hand, or at least significant leverage for the first time in this entire process and I feel we let them off the mat. We left money on the table, I'm convinced of that.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot
There are already thousands of Americans who have lost, or whom are losing their jobs and businesses because of his moronic isolation.

Hoovernomics did not work in the 20s and they won't work now. Sooner or later, its all gonna crumble.

Im already paying more in taxes, and now Im gonna take a pay cut with this contract...but I probably will vote yes because of scope and because this economy will not continue in the direction it is in. In fact, the stock market has NOT improved since the tax cuts. There really is no logical explanation as to why the stock market did so well after the election other than they were happy that none of the rules would be enforced.
You stink.... Standard!

and those speed limits are just a suggestion.

oh and now the libs wanna enforce rules? come on man. get off bill mar and samantha B
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Old 07-02-2018 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
I don't think he is making it political. He's stating facts, and Trump happens to be the president. The future is quite uncertain in the face of all of these tariffs, etc. That's not good for markets or the economy.
The future is always “uncertain”. Also a trade war would not good for the EU, Canada, or China. We have massive trade imbalances with those blocs that benefit them. We spend our money buying their goods. They refuse to buy ours, as they have massive tariffs already on US goods to protect their industries. Now its their turn and they don’t like it.
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