Get a new expression BD
And just go ahead and repeat every other post you already published.
You gonna ask any questions at a roadshow or just shoot from the hip?

 

Interestingly enough all these questions are already answered on FAQ site.

 

They really are not. It's glossed over and over simplified. The argument is "if they can make money on our own metal"...

Well, we *can't* intra-west coast, no premium gates. So.......

 

My guess is that they don’t really have a plan for an RJ operation, because UA/DL/AA have already gobbled all that up, and there just aren’t enough pilots to start a new one and the existing ones already have agreements and are maxed out. So they throw a “scope bone” and say “yeah yeah we won’t do any JB Express, but for you to get that we want all these pay concessions, etc” and they give you something that doesn’t cost them anything but get you to give something up in return. Nothing has stopped them form doing this in the last 18 years, and if they wanted it they wouldn’t give it up.

 

listen I’m a no vote so don’t think I’m trying to defend anyone but reallocation of assets is not a big deal. You guys missed the years when we opened 14 cities and closed half of them down or stopped flying to all the original destinations. I’m not quite sure what type of language your were expecting either. The ability to domestic code share is normal and the argument supports the finances. If Jetblue can make money on it they will. Intra-west coast flying is not nearly as lucrative as east coast/Carib/LA. If you look at SEA to SFO/LAX count the number of flights and frequency. It’s an extremely competitive market to fly with the frequency we did. The code share explanation of dollars and cents it factual so don’t me concerned about that little detail. The ****ty healthcare, UTO and some others are much greater concern.

 

They don't care about the RJ market. There is too much inertia from existing 121 regionals for another to enter the market. Besides, the economics of it just don't work out. It costs a lot of $$$ to fly RJs especially when they aren't 100% full. That's why BJ is playing around with Part 135 carriers. They can feed mainline with smaller than RJ cabins at airports where there is virtually no hassle (read: no TSA). Scope is important but it's something to take for granted at this point. I wouldn't give it up, but it certainly isn't the right criteria to declare victory. BJ is winning on other things that really matter: contract language, bottom of the barrel healthcare, UTO/PTO, vacation bidding (which almost no one will be able to take advantage of), and of course the basic pay rates --- all of which is aimed at containing the cost of pilots. The Yes voters are living in yesterday not understanding that BJ is a different animal and what B6ALPA views as a victory is really a cost-neutral compromise, not a victory.



You are absolutely right... they spoofed us. They gave us something they never cared about in the first place. What they really care about is paying us less because they need to make the balance sheets look good for investors. If people listened to the investor's meetings, they would agree with you and realize that TA 1.0 is sub-standard.


TA 1.0 = 0.6*Pay & 0.5*Rules


TA 2.0 = Pay & Rules



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I'm not even saying vote NO. I may not. But don't tell me as so many guys do that we are "protected".

So sound as if you agree with me more than anything, that we may well codeshare intra-westcoast (no premium gates, very saturated/competitive market).

But connecting onto someone else's west coast network is less oganic growth for us and we have lots of guys who live west and believed in the fairytale that we had a west coast plan for them "someday".

Otherwise, yeah, not the end of the world, just more "less growth".

Carry on.

 

You're not wrong.

 

I do agree with you. No issues there. I’m just not overly concerned about the west coast flying. It’s a difficult market that is highly saturated. If for some reason domestic code share does happen it would typically increase west flying anyhow.
If jetblue hasn’t done it by now I’d guess it’s unlikely to happen. IMHO if it does happen it’s likely a precursor to a merger anyhow.

 

More like less growth where you'd like it (West coast). But growth nevertheless, otherwise no codeshares.